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Old 03-05-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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Few outside the railroad industry have ever heard of the Indiana Harbor Belt. But this obscure switching railroad is converting its locomotives to natural gas. Cleaner, more plentiful.Indiana Harbor Belt to Convert 31 Locomotives to CNG | NGV Global
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Excellent news, and here is the best part:

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The grant was facilitated by the Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning (CMAP). Once implemented the conversion is expected to eliminate 118.68 kgs of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) on a daily basis, or 43.3 metric ton annually. Compared with diesel-powered operations, particulate matter emissions will decrease by 97 percent and nitrogen oxides emissions by 87 percent.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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Until they get the bill because Natural Gas just skyrocketed in price. But it's a good start for particulate and NOX emmissions.
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Old 03-07-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Bend Or.
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If railroads really want to save and cut emissions they need to do some retraining. I was working in NE a few years ago right next to a railroad switching area. We noticed that they never shut the locomotives off! Except to check fluids. seriously they would show up in the morning, shut the locomotive off, then 15 minutes later they would restart. They would switch a few cars, and then a hour later, park it and lock it up, running, and return the next day. The locals told me that is always the case. They were told it was too hard on the engine to shut it off and have to restart cold, in the middle of the summer no less!
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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Sometimes engines HAVE to be kept running to keep up brake pressure in cars. If you have ever heard an old engine not want to start, it is painful to hear.

There was another initiative with battery operated switchers that use a tiny motor to keep batteries topped off. Not sure what ever happened to the idea.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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If railroads really want to save and cut emissions they need to do some retraining. I was working in NE a few years ago right next to a railroad switching area. We noticed that they never shut the locomotives off! Except to check fluids. seriously they would show up in the morning, shut the locomotive off, then 15 minutes later they would restart. They would switch a few cars, and then a hour later, park it and lock it up, running, and return the next day. The locals told me that is always the case. They were told it was too hard on the engine to shut it off and have to restart cold, in the middle of the summer no less!
\Standard rail engine is a GMEMD 645. @3500hp And yes the worst thing you can do to a big diesel is to shut it down.....as for the natural gas issue....yea great..wait till the cost of you stuff goes up to pay for shipping....Oh BTW before you second guess my big engine expertise those loco engines are go cart engines compared to the units I run... and in the last month in one plant I burned @ 60 THOUSAND gallons of nasty old diesel fuel because natural gas was curtailed...

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Old 03-07-2014, 10:24 PM
 
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Sweet. Love seeing stuff like that.
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Bend Or.
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\Standard rail engine is a GMEMD 645. @3500hp And yes the worst thing you can do to a big diesel is to shut it down.....as for the natural gas issue....yea great..wait till the cost of you stuff goes up to pay for shipping....Oh BTW before you second guess my big engine expertise those loco engines are go cart engines compared to the units I run... and in the last month in one plant I burned @ 60 THOUSAND gallons of nasty old diesel fuel because natural gas was curtailed...

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So you are saying that a diesel engine should be left idling 23 hours per day, rather than shut it off?
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The wear and tear on a locomotive-sized Diesel engine from regular stopping and restarting is costlier than most people not familiar with the industry recognize; the biggest things on rails I've ever actually heard started up were the 600 HP engines on a Sperry Rail Service detector car. Those cars were originally powered by Winton engines developed way back in the 1920's, but the entire concept is being discarded infavor of Hy-Railer straight trucks.

I've heard of shutting down bigger power in isolated areas when it's known it wouldn't be used for at least a wekend, but sometimes auxillary power had to be used to keep the block relatively warm in cold weather.

If someone experienced in "engine sevice", cuch as Mr "ditchlights" would have someting to add on this, it would be welcomed.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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So you are saying that a diesel engine should be left idling 23 hours per day, rather than shut it off?
while idle no-load condition for 24hrs induces it's only problems I would ask how do you know it's at idle? do you understand the many loco engines and all stationary power diesels are a constant speed machines? A loco engine even at rest may indeed be doing work, power to the train, air for brakes all must be provided. I seen loco engines set in a mine and used as a power provider for the mine....They don't have to be pulling 100 cars to be working...Yes it's easier to see that work but a train at rest is working never the less.
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