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Old 01-26-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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By approaching a common problem from a different angle the solution it often much better than hoped for.

Solar power cheaper than coal: One company says it’s cracked the code | Grist
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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Please familiarize yourself with FACTS from accredited sources rather than someones blog.....

US Department of Energy estimates

Range for Total System Levelized Costs
(2010 USD/MWh)
....................................Minimum.....Average......Maximum
Conventional Coal............90.1............99.6............11 6.3
Advanced Coal................103.9...........112.2......... 126.1
Advanced Coal with CCS...129.6...........140.7..........162.4
Solar PV.......................122.2...........156.9.... ....245.6
Solar Thermal...............182.7...........251.0....... .400.7


EIA - Annual Energy Outlook 2013 Early Release

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Old 01-26-2013, 07:12 PM
 
Location: DC
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It doesn't matter what coal "costs", the environmental damage is too high. We aren't going to build more coal fired plants in this country.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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By approaching a common problem from a different angle the solution it often much better than hoped for.

Solar power cheaper than coal: One company says it’s cracked the code | Grist
I've been reading articles like this for a few decades now. LOL


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CleanTechnica has an exclusive on a new solar technology that claims to be able to produce power with a levelized cost of energy (LCOE) of 8¢/kWh. That is mind-boggling, “two-thirds the price of retail electricity and over 3 times cheaper than current solar technology.” If the claim proves to be true (and a lot can happen between prototype and mass manufacturing), it could revolutionize the solar industry.
There is people paying less than that retail and the average cost of electric in the US for 2010 was about 10 cents.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Bend Or.
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I am all for Alternative energy, but if they are producing Power for 8c/kwh, that would be the wholesale rate. I am paying that now, retail, and moving to a place that is is 6.1C/KWH, retail. I believ the wholesale price in the pNW is about 3 cents
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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If it is indeed cheaper, then there will be many solar power plants in the future without government subsidy.

For the time being, coal is the best way to produce power. Coal is relatively clean. Just because it produces CO2 does not mean that coal should be shut down. CO2 isn't even the main greenhouse gas, water vapor is. Maybe they should put a cap and trade on water vapor :O
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:54 AM
 
Location: DC
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If it is indeed cheaper, then there will be many solar power plants in the future without government subsidy.

For the time being, coal is the best way to produce power. Coal is relatively clean. Just because it produces CO2 does not mean that coal should be shut down. CO2 isn't even the main greenhouse gas, water vapor is. Maybe they should put a cap and trade on water vapor :O
There is no form of energy in the country that's retail price is not heavily influenced by government programs. Coal has huge environmental and health costs which the government subsidizes. Oil is subsidized with the full force and expense of the American military. No civilian nuclear plant has ever been built in this country that wasn't underwritten by American taxpayers picking up the cost of insurance for that plant.

Asserting that solar is "subsidized" is just a silly and naive statement given the environment.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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No civilian nuclear plant has ever been built in this country that wasn't underwritten by American taxpayers picking up the cost of insurance for that plant.
It can't be insured though, look to see the same issue with carbon capture in the future.

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Asserting that solar is "subsidized" is just a silly and naive statement given the environment.
Last I checked the direct subsidies for coal (tax breaks) were about 40 cents per MWh, ironically most of it for R&D. Wind and solar were in the $24 per MWh range. That is just the federal tax breaks and doesn't include state and even local subsidies.

That's only the tip of the ice berg because of the mandates, that power can be sold for a lot more and for example if you own a solar installation here in PA you generate a green credit. The power distributor has to buy those to meet the mandate, those costs are passed onto the consumer in their electric bill.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: DC
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Coal's biggest subsidy is the right to pollute. Remove the right to pollute and coal is way more expensive than any other electricity option.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Remove the right to pollute and coal is way more expensive than any other electricity option.
Like the new mercury regulations that will reduce mercury deposition rates here in the US a whopping 1 to 10 percent and increase the average IQ 2/1000 of one point? At least according to EPA estimates and data. Yeaaaaaaaa Team!
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