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Old 02-10-2012, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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wrong. but good job trying to pick a tangent aside from the original topic.


NSAC – Organic Initiative
Nice attempt to try and show a possible future program, as if it were a past and /or current program. All to defuse a loosing argument. Well done.

 
Old 02-10-2012, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Roundup is a broad-spectrum herbicide, has nothing to do with this thread and is off-topic.

Would you grow up and stay on topic please?
Outside of your insulting tone. This is directly on-topic.

Anything that is intimately inter-twined with the topic is likewise a part of the topic.

Discuss cars without discussing engines? Engines without carburetors?

Can not do it.

A large portion of GMO is 'roundup-ready'. It is a topic of GMO. It effects all crop economics. Do you pay the big bucks for round-up? Or do you plant GMO?

Do you risk growing conventional and possibly being sued by Monsanto because their pollen blew over your land?

Or their trucks drove by and spilled grain onto your land?

So later you stand to lose your farm in their law suit?

By the way, they have an army of lawyers, and they have never lost a law suit against any of the farmers they have fought against. They can afford to file motion after motion, so any lawyer against them is racking thousands of billable hours.

No farmer whose only actual 'income; is the Federal subsidy dollars, can afford to fight Monsanto in a courtroom.

My BIL's only income is from farming. His only 'profit' is from the subsidies [thanks to the gospel of Earl Butz]. Otherwise he breaks even. He has no money to go fighting a big corporation.

What they tell him to plant, he plants.

I see other farmers around me, some take subsidies. I have been offered Fed subsidies for my operation. I turned it down. It might have made my operation break even, but I don't need it. I get a military pension. I can afford to run a farm at a small loss.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 10:50 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Has everything to do with why farmers cannot drop GMO seeds and return to conventional seeds...
Evidence, please. Did you miss my post about roundup's short half-life?
 
Old 02-10-2012, 10:52 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Nice attempt to try and show a possible future program, as if it were a past and /or current program. All to defuse a loosing argument. Well done.
2009 is not a year in the future.

NRCS Organic Initiative – NSAC
 
Old 02-11-2012, 04:06 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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how are they 'taking advantage'?

farmers in these countries are not forced to buy their products - they choose to.

May be "forced" is too harsh? How about lied to and manipulated?

"We have no choice but to buy round up ready seed....RODNEY NELSON, 5000 acres North Dakota at around the 5 minute mark
GM Crops Farmer to Farmer - YouTube
 
Old 02-11-2012, 08:03 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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May be "forced" is too harsh? How about lied to and manipulated?

"We have no choice but to buy round up ready seed....RODNEY NELSON, 5000 acres North Dakota at around the 5 minute mark
GM Crops Farmer to Farmer - YouTube

I don't buy his claim that all available conventional seed has a no-replant clause that must be signed without seeing some documentation.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 09:07 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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You don't have to..just as do not buy ANY of your claims..so I suppose it is all in vain, just another catch-22 and in the end the American people will have to decide what they want to support as demonstrated by their $$.

Can I get a monsanto.com address?
 
Old 02-11-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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The difference is I can support all my facts with actual links - which you of course, conveniently ignore.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Outside of your insulting tone. This is directly on-topic.
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I open a thread about developing nations and their increased usage of GM crops and you keep on ranting about some paranoid conspiracy nut farmers in America.

The world stopped revolving around American farmers quite some time ago.

We all know about the facts posted on the Internet, they mean whatever the author wants them to mean.

http://digital-lifestyles.info/copy_images/web-conspiracy-lg1.jpg (broken link)

Bottom line here is GM crop usage is increasing worldwide, so you go ahead and rant all you want to concerning some paranoid conspiracy nut farmers in America.

LMAO, your numerous usage of the infamous C-D "THEY" is funny...

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Old 02-11-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Tendency increasing further: GM plants on 134 million hectares worldwide in 2009

The cultivation of genetically modified plants worldwide also increased in 2009. In comparison to 2008, field area increased by seven per cent to 134 million hectares. In the case of soybean, 77 per cent of world production is achieved with GM soy and this figure is 49 per cent in the case of cotton.
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