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No rational person will ever say that the Fascist Regime in Nazi Germany or the Fascist Regime in Imperialist Japan were "moral" or even legitimate governments.
Given the even more murderous history of Communism and all the associated philosophies and tennants (Marxism, Maoism etc) can any person or persons rationally claim to live by moral guidelines if they support such philosophies and governments that rule by such "philosophies"?
"The Maoist government in China modernized the country, but also murdered 40 to 70 million of it's own citizens" Is a country truly advanced if it has to commit mass murder in order to "improve" and "modernize"?
If mass murder is the cost of modernization, is such modernization moral? Is such modernization even productive?
If mass murder is the cost of modernization, is such modernization moral? Is such modernization even productive?
A despot will murder his citizens, irrespective of the form of economics he chooses to embrace. Nobody was more capitalist than Marcos and Sukarno. The US supported their murderous rampages exactly for that reason.
No rational person will ever say that the Fascist Regime in Nazi Germany or the Fascist Regime in Imperialist Japan were "moral" or even legitimate governments.
Given the even more murderous history of Communism and all the associated philosophies and tennants (Marxism, Maoism etc) can any person or persons rationally claim to live by moral guidelines if they support such philosophies and governments that rule by such "philosophies"?
"The Maoist government in China modernized the country, but also murdered 40 to 70 million of it's own citizens" Is a country truly advanced if it has to commit mass murder in order to "improve" and "modernize"?
If mass murder is the cost of modernization, is such modernization moral? Is such modernization even productive?
Communism had its own form of morality. So did the Nazism and Japanese imperialism.
So, if Capitalism as a "system" leads inevitably to mass murder, and Communism as an "economic system" inevitably leads to mass murder, are both systems totally morally corrupt? Does the murderous history of one type of government (say the US supported regimes in South East Asia) justify the murderous history of an opposing type of government (say the Soviet supported regimes in South East Asia)?
Sure, morality can exist in any 'ism'.. Progress though, that is a different story. Your question about murder for progress is easy for me. The answer is no, it's not moral. The ends do not always justify the means.
So, if Capitalism as a "system" leads inevitably to mass murder, and Communism as an "economic system" inevitably leads to mass murder, are both systems totally morally corrupt?
You keep missing the point. There is no link. It is not the system that leads to murder. It is people, lacking in fundamental morals, who lead to murder.
If people will murder in defense of their system, then they will murder in defense of any system. All systems are morally neutral, but people who embrace the systems will fight to the death for self preservation.
Communism has never existed, and there is no chance, that it would come into existence anytime soon anywhere on earth. Therefore starting this thread is pretty meaningless.
Communism has never existed, and there is no chance, that it would come into existence anytime soon anywhere on earth. Therefore starting this thread is pretty meaningless.
The earliest forms of human organization were communist. It was soon discovered that communism would not work, because there was no morality among them. So they evolved into oligarchies, usually under a despot, but the non-productive shirkers were still tolerated. They were called priests.
Hm. It's always interesting to see how foreigners look at communism. I was born in Soviet Union and and i've lived in Russia all my life. In Soviet Union they taught us the exact opposite of what you say here: it's the capitalism that is the root of all evil and so on. Oh, well, propaganda is so propaganda
As it turns out, both systems are full of crap.
Still, if we are to compare morality in communistic and capitalistic society - i'd say people had higher moral standards back in the USSR. It just so happened that when the whole system crashed people realised that there were things more important than morals.
- i'd say people had higher moral standards back in the USSR. It just so happened that when the whole system crashed people realised that there were things more important than morals.
Really? I guess my grand-parents would disagree with you. My grandmother saw nothing moral in seeing the government drag her brothers and dad off and kill them and later have her sisters sent to siberia for life.
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