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Old 08-20-2021, 08:53 AM
 
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Actually I agree; but I think before Harry married Meghan, he was a decent fellow. Fought in Afghanistan, seemed to avoid loco political statements. Meghan corrupted him.
It's the other way around.

Harry has been pissed at his father most of his life because of how his mother was mistreated, and had long desired to leave "the firm." He was expressing his displeasure in interviews long before he met Meghan. His father cheated on his mother, brought the homewrecker into the house, and continued to disrespect his mother.

There is a phrase he expressed in interviews before meeting Meghan: "The palace did not protect my mother." Interestingly, since marrying Meghan, he has said exactly the same thing about her: "The palace did not protect my wife."

I suspect Meghan was the first woman he met who was prepared to leave "the firm." If anything, he used her to justify his dislike for "the firm" and his father. He knew what he was getting her into...she did not.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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The post World War II mandates are the model I'd like to follow. We remade Germany and Japan in our image, and they are both successful, peaceful, contributing members of the world community today. Whereas, our current piecemeal approach toward failed states, where we give aid and take in refugees, but have little actual say in what happens on the ground, is a demonstrated failure.
Germany and Japan had been successful nations before the war. They already had bureaucracy that was functional from the village level to the national level. They already had a concept of "civic duty" to the nation. The US merely allowed them to rebuild what the US broke. The US has never successfully built a nation "from scratch."

Heck, the US isn't doing that great a job maintaining its own functions as a democratic nation.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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"Did it"? Perhaps you're unaware we haven't even BEGUN to get Americans out. There are over 10,000 American citizens stranded there stuck behind Taliban lines.

Also amazing people fail to understand WHY we keep a small presence in other countries

There are 29,000 American troops in South Korea. And thousands more elsewhere.

Do you seriously think they're there to "protect" the other countries? NO, it's to "PROTECT" the US and safeguard OUR country's interests including safety.

Which is EXACTLY what was SUPPOSED to happen in Afghanistan with a SMALL SMALL contingent left behind supporting the Afghans.

Do you really NOT know the reason we went there to begin with? You think it was to "solve Afghanistan's problems"?
Those other locations of American presence became self-sustaining, supportive military and economic allies well within 20 years. It's easy to maintain a presence in a company that's actually being beneficial to your own interests, rather than just trying to keep them suppressed.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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A preposterous suggestion. It was always up to us to go get him, and that's what we did.


The doctrine of preemptive strike should remain in force. America has many friends and many spies. If someone is training terrorists, then the training site with its leaders needs to be taken out no matter where it is.


But, no, colonialism dos not need to come back.
I agree with you on all counts. The problem was not that we went in to get OBL and a few other leaders. The problem was that we lingered there for 20 years. Never a real exit strategy.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:12 AM
 
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How do we keep the plane crashers out of the rest of the world?
That's not the Taliban, that's Saudi Arabia. Remember that Al Qaeda is Saudi and their money is oil money.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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It works both ways though. Without American involvement in the Korean War, the peninsula would have fallen to the government of the North. The country would have been unified, like Vietnam, under a single socialist banner.
Although, today the US is one of Vietnam's most important trading partners...so that might not be a good example.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:19 AM
 
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A preposterous suggestion. It was always up to us to go get him, and that's what we did.


The doctrine of preemptive strike should remain in force. America has many friends and many spies. If someone is training terrorists, then the training site with its leaders needs to be taken out no matter where it is.
That that is something far more technologically feasible now than it was twenty years ago. That's what kept the body count in Afghanistan as low as it was (compared to other such US actions).
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:31 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The Americans never actually understood colonialism. There was a certain overpowering concept of greed that pushed other colonial rationales aside. Everything else was a sideshow and the colonial people were in the way more often than not. We had false fronts that we pointed to -- religion, education, development, and pacification -- but we really wanted their stuff. We gave up on actually being a colonial power and substituted corporate power - corporate colonialism. We did not want the responsibility of governance for brown or black people in unpleasant places...they might think that they were part of us. Instead, we play a game of whack-a-mole on behalf of corporate colonizers but never successfully manage to keep up with the greed. We have military bases in 70 countries and soldiers stationed in 150. Now it increasingly seems corporate colonialism has come home to roost.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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Although, today the US is one of Vietnam's most important trading partners...so that might not be a good example.
In the end, the Americans did conquer Vietnam. Today, it is just another of our economic colonies.
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Old 08-20-2021, 12:59 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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In the end, the Americans did conquer Vietnam. Today, it is just another of our economic colonies.
I dunno. I used to have to unload furniture that was made in Vietnam. I could just picture one of the Vietcong who had me in his sights in 1968..... Then his buddy taps him on the shoulder and says, "Hey, don't shoot him. Let's just wait 30 years and then we can work him to death!"

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