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I was once told by another guy (of mixed-ancestry; 5 types) "You're from the 'Old way of thinking', and anyone who thinks like you isn't going to last for long.
This, after I had told him in a discussion that for all the 'races' to get-along, we simply have to learn to respect one-anothers' traditions, ways and religion(s), etc... And that tolerance goes both ways.
His argument was: "The only way for ALL people to EVER get-along and have Peace.. we all have to become 1 Race."
He went on to tell me (in so many words) that He was "superior" to me and more advanced (in maturity and other ways) because he was of 5 or more races, thus he had an understanding and "compassion" for all people.
His solution was: We have to Accept the "Melting Pot" and assimilate because it's going to happen anyway, and we are only fighting the inevitable by resisting.
I took his words in a sort of threatening manner, (since he was nottalking 'to' me, he was talking 'AT' me;almost daring me to disagree) and could tell that it was going to lead to a serious argument or worse.
So I left it at that.
Still, I believe he was wrong. And I wonder what others think about Society; whether or not we should
all forget our "roots" our "race" our "past(s)" and just become ONE HUGE RACE of 'mixed people' ..... ?
I may come on as sounding like a "racist"... but I don't believe his answer is THE answer to World Peace.
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The guy comes across as a Moderator cut: language , but I think he's basically correct.
If you look across human history, whenever there's been a distinct ethno-religious group for generations from the majority, they have never had equality. The minority has always been sidelined, distrusted, pushed to the outskirts, and subject to suspicion and worse.
So, for example, with the U.S. context, the only surefire way we could eliminate not only racism against black people, but actual social and cultural segregation, is forced interracial marriage. After a few generations, everyone would look like Wentworth Miller or Rashida Jones, and no one would give a Moderator cut: language about race anymore.
That's not to say there wouldn't be a lot lost through the loss of American black culture. It's just that in the longer run attempts to be both "multicultural" and "integrated" are doomed to fail. That said, if nothing is done, most modern American immigrants children will assimilate to U.S. mainstream culture, as they always have in the past.
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...the only surefire way we could eliminate not only racism against black people, but actual social and cultural segregation, is forced interracial marriage. After a few generations, everyone would look like Wentworth Miller or Rashida Jones, and no one would give a sh*t about race anymore.
That's my whole point, tho'. People should not be "forced", but taught.
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Originally Posted by eschaton
That's not to say there wouldn't be a lot lost through the loss of American black culture. It's just that in the longer run attempts to be both "multicultural" and "integrated" are doomed to fail. That said, if nothing is done, most modern American immigrants children will assimilate to U.S. mainstream culture, as they always have in the past.
As for the "loss of American Black Culture"... to be honest, "Black Culture" only goes back a couple hundred years. If that.
And I believe that-That is the reason for all this "melting-pot" stuff.
Basically, you have people that HAVE Roots, and History and Tradition(s) that can be traced back to Before Christ.
And then there are those who were brought here through no choice of their own and have no Roots History or traditions, except what they forge from here-on.
With that comes the conflict. People that do not 'belong' and have to "find a new way".
Not just 'blacks', but people from ALL races, here in the U.S. exist that have been orphaned or shunned by their own, and forced to become a "mix". Over time, they've decided that rather than be forced to change, that they will be the new mold in which to fashion society... by 'force'. (Just like Hitler or any other dictator)
People like the Native American(s), who were here before anyone else, had (and still have) History, roots and Traditions. And so do those who came here to conquer and displace them.
Do you think it's right to 'force' a Native-American to marry a non-Native person, just so that we could all be 'equal'???
That sounds more primitive than what looks primitive on the outside.
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Assimilation is the melting pot. I assume by "get-along" you're referring to the salad bowl approach.
I think in America's case the best approach is the salad bowl since much of our culture is race obsessed and mixing and creating some big American race won't solve our racial problems. Latinamerica still has racial problems. The elite and the media there is mostly white, Mexico has mejorar la raza which means to marry white(r), Caribbean countries have pelo malo which refers to African hair, and we even have colorism in our black population here.
All that 'World peace requires one, race, one culture, one language, one religion, etc.' is the ultimate racism.
They want to create a master race and believe in racial superiority; not one of a single existing race, but comprised of all races. And once that is acheived, what would be to stop people from discriminating and warring against one another based on accent, subtle shade of the 'universal' skin or eye color, approach to religion, non-religion, etc.?
It is a very ignorant brand of cultural utopia that considers the differences between people to be a failing.
Very interesting question. I also agree that melting pot would help people come closer together. Culture is a very broad term and I don't think we would ever have one culture. Even between households on the same street, same background, the culture could be different. What we need is our base value system to converge without religion and it's teachings as the holding block.
That's my whole point, tho'.
People should not be "forced", but taught.
As for the "loss of American Black Culture"...
to be honest, "Black Culture" only goes back a couple hundred years. If that.
And I believe that-That is the reason for all this "melting-pot" stuff.
Basically, you have people that HAVE Roots, and History and Tradition(s) that can
be traced back to Before Christ.
And then there are those who were brought here through no choice of their own
and have no Roots History or traditions, except what they forge from here-on.
With that comes the conflict. People that do not 'belong' and have to "find a new way".
Not just 'blacks', but people from ALL races, here in the U.S. exist that have been
orphaned or shunned by their own, and forced to become a "mix".
Over time, they've decided that rather than be forced to change,
that they will be the new mold in which to fashion society... by 'force'.
(Just like Hitler or any other dictator)
People like the Native American(s), who were here before anyone else,
had (and still have) History, roots and Traditions.
And so do those who came here to conquer and displace them.
Do you think it's right to 'force' a Native-American to marry a non-Native
person, just so that we could all be 'equal'???
That sounds more primitive than what looks primitive on the outside.
My point is only that if your long term goal is to ensure there is no segregation, the logical conclusion is programs which heavily promote interracial marriage. Distinct ethnic groups have almost always throughout human history been a case of "my group in this village, your group in that village." Or, in some cases as societies developed, distinct ethnic groups which did not intermarry with outsiders might live in the same town, but in their own special areas and kept to themselves. Look at the history of Jews or Roma in Europe, or the caste system in India, or Christian minorities in the Middle East, or Chinese in Southeast Asia, to see what I mean. At times, there can be cautious toleration of one another, but there was never integration, and things can get really horrible for the minority group. Hopefully modern American culture has evolved beyond this point, but if so we're in uncharted waters.
As it is, I don't think the "multicultural" status quo is going to last. Most Latinos and Asians will intermarry into white America within 2-3 generations (as did earlier immigrant groups), and you'll end up with slightly browner "white" people. But I do think we'd need a substantial change in national direction to deal with the black/white color line, since it's been around since our nation's founding.
Another option would be to respect every one elses culture, religion , and understanding the diversity other people bring to your own social sphere, those instances where every one is relegated to conform to a uniform standard tend to be dreary places usually devoid of freedoms as every one tries or is legislated into becoming the same veritable clones of each other..
Another option would be to respect every one elses culture, religion , and understanding the diversity other people bring to your own social sphere, those instances where every one is relegated to conform to a uniform standard tend to be dreary places usually devoid of freedoms as every one tries or is legislated into becoming the same veritable clones of each other..
What will be done to groups that don't want to tolerate others and dominate such as Islam?
Another option would be to respect every one elses culture, religion , and understanding the diversity other people bring to your own social sphere, those instances where every one is relegated to conform to a uniform standard tend to be dreary places usually devoid of freedoms as every one tries or is legislated into becoming the same veritable clones of each other..
Diversity is a good thing when you are talking about different cultures. Diversity with religion mixed in confounds things. There can never be a uniform standard but having a melting pot can get people together - harmoniously. If it is done in a way where people willingly get into relationships there won't be a fear of losing freedom. This has to evolve naturally rather than being legislated.
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