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Grrrr doesn't that violate some H/R standard or law? If not, shouldn't it??? Talk about shallow!!!
Fairfax, I agree. Pretty and handsome does open doors. I also agree that that is a sad, sad fact . Even sadder? No matter how well or how frumpy one dresses (bringing this back to the OP's original discussion point), physical pretty/handsome trumps it all. Shallow. Good word.
Oh yeah. They got sued a while after I left after 4 ex-cashiers got together and filed a sexual harassment suit. 4 Managers and 11 employees got fired and charged. Funny enough, the harassment suit had nothing to do with hiring practices, this was just day to day harassment.
Y'know, the other underlying theme I'm seeing in this thread is the assumption that women are expected to look "pretty" (and we won't even talk about the pressure to look "sexy" /rolleyes). It makes me sad that, in USA culture, women must still live under the pressure of being "pretty". We women even put that pressure on ourselves ("I feel better when I look pretty").
Men are not held to that same standard. If guys are "handsome", it's considered a bonus. Can you imagine, in West Side Story, a group of guys dancing and singing "I Feel Handsome! Oh, so Handsome!"? We had a movie called "Pretty in Pink". What was the corresponding movie? "Handsome in..." Heck, there isn't even a "handsome guy" color .
Maybe it's a little bit of sour grapes on my part. I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, "pretty". Not now, and never have been, never will be. I simply don't fit the standard definition. Don't have the face, eyes, hair, bod, nuttin' at all. All I have going for me is a lack of wrinkles (which makes me look somewhat younger than I am). I've also been told I have a nice personality (I hope I do!). Maybe it's my way of compensating for not being "pretty" .
My grandma always said, "Pretty is as pretty does". There's a subtle hint, eh? Anyway, I ran with it, 'cause it was all I had .
Thank you. This is the very essense of this thread. We have come a long way in allowing women to have brains, but we still objectify women. The whole idea of *having* to look *pretty* is born of that.
Women will never be "equal" if we have this underlying assumption that girls have to be pretty and women strive for sexy. Men have the choice. Women can choose to be or not but the whole idea of being "frumpy" if you don't dress up diminishes that choice. There should be no judgement. If a woman likes to dress up at the store its her thing. If she wants to wear old sweats then that is. But its nobody else's business.
And the idea that "dressed up" with makeup and nice shoes is better than a tank top and jeans... what if "dressed up" doesn't feel right? I love the occasions when I do put on a dress, but its a really cool dress and for a special occasion. Or in the summer where a loose skirt is cooler than jeans. But the real me (and the one I present) is super casual. And thus I present myself.
And there are occasions when "frumpy" pays off. When I lived in California I took the bus a lot. I dressed as I usually do, but wore things looser and more covered. That and the attitude I wore and I was always fine. But there are times when a woman does not want to present herself as "attractive" and especially not "sexy". And should present a "get out of my face" attitude.
Clothes are about the individual. We tell others who we are by how we dress. To those who see a guy in an expensive suit and tailored hair as the end all of attractive it might be strange to hear that for some of us a guy in jeans and a tshirt and windblown hair is far more interesting. I'd go so far as to say the guy in the suit isn't interesting to me at all. So should women go out dressed "up" if it isn't them? Like the quoted poster said, men don't have to.
A fancy restraunt is a place you would dress up. A park with a walking trail it would look odd if you were wearing dressy shoes. There are places where certain dress fits but they are places you choose to go. You don't go out on that nice dinner evening on a quick run, or take the kids for a hike without plans. You do go to the store, McDees, Walmart, and many other places. Some of the most fun things in life are done on the spur of the moment, when you just decide to go now. Why ruin them by having to "dress" right?
Life is too short and complicated to have to be locked into the right clothes and shoes and makeup and hair. In the end you won't remember the dress you wore that day but the experience of the occasion and who you shared it with. That is what matters.
o.k., where I'm at on this subject:
don't people these days care about looking good for themselves?
no matter what I'm wearing, it's not for the purpose of impressing anybody-- I just prefer to look good for my own sake. I don't consider wearing nice-looking clothes to be any different than being showered & keeping hair combed.
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. Even sadder? No matter how well or how frumpy one dresses (bringing this back to the OP's original discussion point), physical pretty/handsome trumps it all. Shallow. Good word.
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