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Old 10-03-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Russia
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The fact is, people have the best life where our system has spread. From Taiwan to Italy. Japan to Finland...
Oh yeah. Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Syria greet your system with a standing ovation.
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Oh yeah. Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Syria greet your system with a standing ovation.
Slovenia, Croatia and Kosovo are definitely agreeing. Syria again, what does it matter? It was Assad who started the violence against his own people.
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Only in military sense. It has an economy the size of Australia, it has completely dropped off the boat in both high and conventional technology (except maybe nuclear and space), has no soft (cultural) power and its only friends are some obscure Stans, Cuba, Venezuela and Syria.
Ariete, your Western propaganda lags behind life.

This is Saint-Petersburg. A huge ship is descended from shipyards in Russia. This nuclear icebreaker will be built in 2018. 3 such ships are building. It needed for a functioning of the Northern Sea Route.

https://youtu.be/ZoH6Uwb3wyU

This is the Far East. Rosneft is building a huge shipyard for a construction of ships. Crane installation.

https://youtu.be/7eLjU0vi9_I

This is Kerch. Construction of the bridge.

https://youtu.be/Aa_AUtnE6UE

This is Far East. First launch of the rocket from the new cosmodrome.

https://youtu.be/fsPV488yabg

Russia has the opportunity to implement such projects. And Russia has friends. These are the BRICS countries. These friends are no less powerful than NATO. Also Iran, Syria, Serbia, etc. The world is not limited to the NATO size.

This year the Russian physicist is nominated for the Nobel Prize in Physics. This is an indicator that fundamental science is not destroyed, it continues to function. Also, for example, information technology has a good development.

Of course, Russia has many problems. But you have to take off your propaganda points, it hurms you.
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Ariete, your Western propaganda lags behind life.

This is Saint-Petersburg. A huge ship is descended from shipyards in Russia. This nuclear icebreaker will be built in 2018. 3 such ships are building. It needed for a functioning of the Northern Sea Route.


This is the Far East. Rosneft is building a huge shipyard for a construction of ships. Crane installation.


This is Kerch. Construction of the bridge.


This is Far East. First launch of the rocket from the new cosmodrome.


Russia has the opportunity to implement such projects. And Russia has friends. These are the BRICS countries. These friends are no less powerful than NATO. Also Iran, Syria, Serbia, etc. The world is not limited to the NATO size.

This year the Russian physicist is nominated for the Nobel Prize in Physics. This is an indicator that fundamental science is not destroyed, it continues to function. Also, for example, information technology has a good development.

Of course, Russia has many problems. But you have to take off your propaganda points, it hurms you.
Pff, nuclear ice breakers are so so 80's. Finnish 'Polaris' is LNG powered:



'Fennica' and her sister ship 'Nordica' have also been breaking ice in the Northeast passage:



Have you seen this icebreaker? Builder: Wärtsilä Marine Shipyard Helsinki.



'MS Allure of the Seas' was until 2017 the largest cruise ship ever built. It was built by STX Turku Shipyard, and replaced the 'MS Oasis of the Seas' as the largest, also built in Turku. A few years ago 6 of the 10 largest cruise ships were built on the same Turku shipyard.



Your crane seems also a bit small...



I'm not very convinced, and we are only 5.5 million people. And yeah, you have Serbia and Syria. Brazil and China are definitely not your friends.
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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Pff, nuclear ice breakers are so so 80's. Finnish 'Polaris' is LNG powered:
Nuclear icebreakers have more power and autonomy of navigation. This allows to pass thicker ice ("Arctic" from video will have 2.8 meters ice against 1.8 meters "Polaris").

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Have you seen this icebreaker? Builder: Wärtsilä Marine Shipyard Helsinki.
Yes, there is a Russian power unit.

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Your crane seems also a bit small....
But it exists and building.

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I'm not very convinced, and we are only 5.5 million people.
Finns know how to build ships, no one argues with this. But we're talking about a dropped off the boat Russia.

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And yeah, you have Serbia and Syria. Brazil and China are definitely not your friends.
The boundary between allies and friends is rather arbitrary.
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Old 10-03-2017, 03:22 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Oh yeah. Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Syria greet your system with a standing ovation.
LOL Russian TV is rotting your brain. Interesting to bring up countries we had to deal with BECAUSE of Russia's past meddling (except Iraq). Do the Afghans miss the Taliban rule? What did Yugoslavia breaking apart have to do with us? Did you bother asking Iraqis if they want to go back to dictatorship? Life was wonderful before 2003 right? Do Libyans yearn for Gadhaffi massacring them with tanks? The Syrian situation is because our system did NOT appear there yet. And the war is BECAUSE the anti Democrats in the world propped up Assad, giving him free reign to slaughter thousands to protect his inherited right to own Syria. Syrians would love to have a competitive election and end the war but no, Putin can't allow that sort of thing because the mere idea of it is a threat to his own power. Same with a free Ukraine choosing to be in Europe...
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Old 10-03-2017, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Russia
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LOL Russian TV is rotting your brain
Of course. And music. It also rotting my brain.

https://youtu.be/q99gqRI8u64
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:18 PM
 
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The US has no desire to rule over the world. We protect half the world from threats (legacy of the USSR threatening to conquer the world through fake communist revolutions) but all we want to do is spread stability (democracy) and make money through legit commerce (which requires rule of law). That's a direct threat to the mafia style/ authoritarian model of government so the countries which feel threatened by us are run this way.

The fact is, people have the best life where our system has spread. From Taiwan to Italy. Japan to Finland... I'm not saying its only the US which created this system but we protected it from the Soviets so its kind of our world order now. The reason former Warsaw Pact countries lean to the west is once they are run by their people, they tend to vote for the better life that our system brings. We don't have to bribe anyone or conquer anyone with a military. Again, a threat to Mr. Putin because he doesn't bring a better life to the majority of Russians and he knows it. His system is inferior to the EU so the Ukraine crisis is really a reflection of his inability to compete with it.
What a bunch of US imperialist propaganda. US has interfered with so many countries in the last decade, and brought nothing but suffering, blood and destruction to Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, and who know who is next.
The "best" part of it is that the US cannot even afford this any more, its military is inferior to Russia and China, and it's economy is bound to collapse: look at the ever growing budget deficit, crumbling infrastructure everywhere, increasing number of homeless and poor and diminishing quality of life.
And now US has an idiot of a president ruled by US military mafia, what a treat!

And BTW, Russians have never lived better than what they have now under Putin, and unlike US, Russia is bound to prosper even more, thanks to its limitless people and natural resources.
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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What a bunch of US imperialist propaganda. US has interfered with so many countries in the last decade, and brought nothing but suffering, blood and destruction to Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, and who know who is next.
The "best" part of it is that the US cannot even afford this any more, its military is inferior to Russia and China, and it's economy is bound to collapse: look at the ever growing budget deficit, crumbling infrastructure everywhere, increasing number of homeless and poor and diminishing quality of life.
I seriously would like to know whether this poster is the first generation Ukrainian American or what?
Because he sounds like a typical Ukrainian, programmed by his parents/relatives since Soviet times; USA - har-har greatest country in the world; Russia - source of evil and should be destroyed.
I mean I have never ever heard your regular Americans with this kind of brain programming. Only former Soviet citizens/citizens from former satellite countries.

The Milky Way resident comes pretty close to the above description too...
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:51 PM
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Location: California
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What a bunch of US imperialist propaganda. US has interfered with so many countries in the last decade, and brought nothing but suffering, blood and destruction to Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, and who know who is next.
The "best" part of it is that the US cannot even afford this any more, its military is inferior to Russia and China, and it's economy is bound to collapse: look at the ever growing budget deficit, crumbling infrastructure everywhere, increasing number of homeless and poor and diminishing quality of life.
And now US has an idiot of a president ruled by US military mafia, what a treat!

And BTW, Russians have never lived better than what they have now under Putin, and unlike US, Russia is bound to prosper even more, thanks to its limitless people and natural resources.
Guess what, everyone lives better now than the 90s. Not just Russians. Russia is behind all EU aligned former Soviet communist nations that used to be poorer than Russia in the 90s. And its been 8 years since the Russian economy stopped growing so its getting harder to tell people living there that its so great. I know, I see your TV shows telling you how horrible it is in the US. Nevermind I make more a month than my aunt in Moscow earns every 2 years. Tell me how great it is some more.

LOL Russian military superior. Last I checked American generals aren't being killed by ISIS.

And blame the USA for Russia's destruction in Syria and Ukraine. Makes sense because Putin said so.
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