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Old 03-23-2024, 01:30 PM
 
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Au contraire: it was all over the news.
Has the West imposed sanctions against Ukraine for the terrorist murder of Dugina? I haven't heard about this. Now the terrorists have killed not just one person, but 150 (most likely more, the rubble will continue to be cleared). And this is not ISIS. Religious terrorists fight for an idea and in most cases do not give up (as was the case in Ingushetia a couple of weeks ago). There were mercenaries in Moscow, they killed people for money and tried to escape. They were caught in the Bryansk region, 100 kilometers from the Ukrainian border. This is not surprising, because Ukraine has sheltered many anti-Russian militants from the Caucasus and the Middle East, and they can recruit fools in Russia.

Daria Trepova followed the same pattern. She was recruited by Ukrainian special services, received explosives and carried a bomb to a public speech by Vladlen Tatarsky (he died from the explosion of the bomb).

There have also been several arson attacks on military registration and enlistment offices and sabotage on railways over the past couple of years. People are recruited to Telegram for money. But it’s one thing to turn a blind eye to sabotage, and another to turn a blind eye to a terrorist attack that killed more than 100 people. The world is plunging into dangerous times.

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Old 03-23-2024, 01:31 PM
 
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Imagine being so inept and pathetic that you need your enemy to give you a heads-up about terrorist attacks.
Geopolitical rivals and enemies are not the same thing.
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Old 03-23-2024, 01:35 PM
 
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On March 19, the Russian leader called the U.S. Embassy statement “obvious blackmail” made with “the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society.” But he had yet to comment directly on the attack Friday.
I missed this statement of his. Thank's.
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Old 03-23-2024, 01:38 PM
 
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Has the West imposed sanctions against Ukraine for the terrorist murder of Dugina? I haven't heard about this. Now the terrorists have killed not just one person, but 150 (most likely more, the rubble will continue to be cleared). And this is not ISIS. Religious terrorists fight for an idea and in most cases do not give up (as was the case in Ingushetia a couple of weeks ago). There were mercenaries in Moscow, they killed people for money and tried to escape. They were caught in the Bryansk region, 100 kilometers from the Ukrainian border. This is not surprising, because Ukraine has sheltered many anti-Russian militants from the Caucasus and the Middle East, and they can recruit fools in Russia.

Daria Trebova followed the same pattern. She was recruited by Ukrainian special services, received explosives and carried a bomb to a public speech by Vladlen Tatarsky (he died from the explosion of the bomb).

There have also been several arson attacks on military registration and enlistment offices and sabotage on railways over the past couple of years. People are recruited to Telegram for money. But it’s one thing to turn a blind eye to sabotage, and another to turn a blind eye to a terrorist attack that killed more than 100 people. The world is plunging into dangerous times.
When your country is a piece of **** pariah state, people tend to not give a **** about tragedies happening in your country. It's called common sense.

Even if it really was Ukraine's plan, which nobody with a brain would believe that it is, other countries wouldn't blame them anyway because Russia has been killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians. Again, it's called karma.
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Old 03-23-2024, 01:38 PM
 
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When your country is a piece of **** pariah state, people tend to not give a **** about tragedies happening in your country. It's called common sense.

Even if it really was Ukraine's plan, which nobody with a brain would believe that it is, no one would blame them anyway because Russia has been killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians. Again, it's called karma.
Ok
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Old 03-24-2024, 11:01 AM
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Eh this isn't true at all. The Russian people are 100% complicit. They are the reason why Putin operates with impunity. If they disapproved of their government's actions there wouldn't have been an invasion in the first place. Putin is a symptom, not the cause.

And those dead Russian combattants got what they deserved. They invaded a neighbouring country for no reason other than expansionism and thirst for Ukrainian blood. The misplaced and misguided sympathy in the West for the so-called innocent Russian people is ridiculous and frankly quite laughable, and even potentially dangerous.
There’s families in Russia that were probably much more neutral with regards to the Ukraine before their sons got conscripted and sent to fight there. I know Putin’s approval rating is pretty high in Russia but I don’t think we can get anywhere by painting the whole country as complicit. If hypothetically Moscow got attacked by Ukraine and some civilians died in collateral damage, it’s a very different situation than a terrorist attack directly on civilians like this. Trust me, I’m no Russian apologist. Putin is responsible for every single one of his peoples’ deaths as a result of the war he started
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Old 03-24-2024, 11:32 AM
 
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Eh this isn't true at all. The Russian people are 100% complicit..
If that's true, why have mobs of young-to-middle-aged men flooded the borders to flee conscription or potential criminal charges for their journalism on the war? That doesn't sound like complicity to me. Two desperate guys on Chukotka actually risked their lives to reach Alaska in a fishing skiff, rather than submit to the recruiter repeatedly coming to their apartments.

In Russia, people vote with their feet, since the ballot boxes are broken...
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Old 03-24-2024, 03:41 PM
 
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If that's true, why have mobs of young-to-middle-aged men flooded the borders to flee conscription or potential criminal charges for their journalism on the war? That doesn't sound like complicity to me. Two desperate guys on Chukotka actually risked their lives to reach Alaska in a fishing skiff, rather than submit to the recruiter repeatedly coming to their apartments.

In Russia, people vote with their feet, since the ballot boxes are broken...
THeir media and all news outlets are controlled by state. No one dares to step out of line because they know what will happen.
Not much different than during peak soviet times really.
Putin will be president till he dies and even after a hologram of his will win election with 120% approval rating.
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Old 03-24-2024, 03:45 PM
 
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THeir media and all news outlets are controlled by state. No one dares to step out of line because they know what will happen.
Not much different than during peak soviet times really.
I've posted this more than once on this interminable thread... And on the Russ/Uke war threads. That doesn't convince some people, that Russians aren't complicit with the regime, though.

Remember the blank sign protest in the first 6 months of the war? Individual pensioners, usually women, would stand alone on the sidewalk holding a blank sign. Never in a group, but as lone protesters in various parts of Moscow and elsewhere in Russia. They inevitably were arrested and hauled off to prison. There was no follow-up to that particular protest measure, so we don't know what happened to the babushki.

Censorship laws show no mercy.
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Old 03-25-2024, 10:06 AM
 
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Seems like the Russian police to their sweet time responding to the attack.
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