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Old 10-03-2022, 07:19 AM
 
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Trump aspired to be an American version of Putin or Mussolini.

If you consider Trump a clown, then the fact that many Americans were very concerned about his attacks on the rule of law and took action by protesting, suing him and voting him out of office are even more admirable. That shows that Americans generally take threats to democracy extremely seriously, even if the person threatening democracy is considered a clown.

A great businessman with bizarre sense of humour and nicely impersonated by Alec Baldwin in addition to being great for the world's economy. Maybe his interior politics were dog ***** but as a non-american what you see was stocks, crypto rising + a funny guy. Surely not a "tyrant". A tyrant is someone like Stalin, Kim J. Un, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Robespierre, Commodus etc.



Mussolini is a good example as is Putin as of April 2022 onwards.
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:05 AM
 
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A great businessman with bizarre sense of humour and nicely impersonated by Alec Baldwin in addition to being great for the world's economy. Maybe his interior politics were dog ***** but as a non-american what you see was stocks, crypto rising + a funny guy. Surely not a "tyrant". A tyrant is someone like Stalin, Kim J. Un, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Robespierre, Commodus etc.



Mussolini is a good example as is Putin as of April 2022 onwards.
Trump is a psychopath who lacks basic human decency and ability, and if he had invested Daddy’s money in the stock market or other investments that he hadn’t messed up due to his own ineptitude, he’d be far wealthier than he is.

Trump wanted to be Mussolini, but he was too stupid and incompetent to be even Mussolini. He would have loved to be Putin or Stalin, but alas, achieving those heights of tyranny were beyond his capabilities.
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Kremlin unclear on which parts of Ukraine it has "annexed".

The Kremlin is still determining which areas of occupied Ukraine it has “annexed”, Vladimir Putin’s spokesperson has said, suggesting Russia does not know where its self-declared international borders are.

The lack of a clear red line may undermine his attempts at using nuclear deterrence to halt Ukraine’s successful counteroffensive and western support for Kyiv.

Also, Russia’s first mobilisation since the second world war has been dealt another setback.
"Out of several thousand of our compatriots who had received a summons and arrived at military enlistment offices in the past 10 days, around half were sent back home for failing to meet the selection criteria" said Mikhail Degtyarev, the governor of the far eastern Khabarovsk region.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...it-has-annexed
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Old 10-03-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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Kremlin unclear on which parts of Ukraine it has "annexed".

The Kremlin is still determining which areas of occupied Ukraine it has “annexed”, Vladimir Putin’s spokesperson has said, suggesting Russia does not know where its self-declared international borders are.

The lack of a clear red line may undermine his attempts at using nuclear deterrence to halt Ukraine’s successful counteroffensive and western support for Kyiv.

Also, Russia’s first mobilisation since the second world war has been dealt another setback.
"Out of several thousand of our compatriots who had received a summons and arrived at military enlistment offices in the past 10 days, around half were sent back home for failing to meet the selection criteria" said Mikhail Degtyarev, the governor of the far eastern Khabarovsk region.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...it-has-annexed
The bolded would be funny, if it weren't such a serious matter.

On another thread, a post from the "front" about Russia's military's behavior suggests, that Russia's border is "evolving". They seem to be "annexing" little bits of Ukraine as they go along. They take over a village, or somebody's backyard, and add it to the map of Russia, that type of thing, it sounds like.

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The lack of a clear red line may undermine his attempts at using nuclear deterrence to halt Ukraine’s successful counteroffensive and western support for Kyiv.
We can only hope. I wouldn't count on a rational approach coming from the Kremlin, though.

Remember, he went on national TV to show off his cool trick of extending "Russia's" borders to stop NATO's assistance of Ukraine. He made a big show of patriotism, beating back the evil forces of Western hegemony, and declaring himself the hero of the developing world suffering under the exploitation of Western capitalism. He's so heavily invested in his strategy now, that he can't be seen as backing down. People said that about him before, but he really upped the ante for himself to stratospheric heights, with his recent speech, complete with images of Parliament chanting cheers, and crowds partying in the streets.

I can't begin to speculate what might happen next, or in the coming months.
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Old 10-06-2022, 04:11 PM
 
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Trump is a psychopath who lacks basic human decency and ability, and if he had invested Daddy’s money in the stock market or other investments that he hadn’t messed up due to his own ineptitude, he’d be far wealthier than he is.

Trump wanted to be Mussolini, but he was too stupid and incompetent to be even Mussolini. He would have loved to be Putin or Stalin, but alas, achieving those heights of tyranny were beyond his capabilities.
Yet if Trump was in power, it seems less likely that Putin would have invaded Ukraine. As after all the Democrats saw Russia as a major threat and when Trump lost, the relationship between Russia and USA went for the worst. However, I do admit there are republicans out there that are anti-Russian hawks as much as the democrats.

BTW the USA has a huge role in its mess with Ukraine, ever since George W Bush fully supported Ukraine entry into NATO in 2008. Since then, Obama fully supported Ukraine bid into NATO. Well after that Russia acted and saw it a major threat and since then occupied the Crimea until the mess today with its invasion.

Ukraine should have remained neutral and if so, all this mess would not have happened.

Trump despite his flaws, no new wars were fought during his regime.
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Old 10-06-2022, 04:45 PM
 
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Yet if Trump was in power, it seems less likely that Putin would have invaded Ukraine. As after all the Democrats saw Russia as a major threat and when Trump lost, the relationship between Russia and USA went for the worst. However, I do admit there are republicans out there that are anti-Russian hawks as much as the democrats.

BTW the USA has a huge role in its mess with Ukraine, ever since George W Bush fully supported Ukraine entry into NATO in 2008. Since then, Obama fully supported Ukraine bid into NATO. Well after that Russia acted and saw it a major threat and since then occupied the Crimea until the mess today with its invasion.

Ukraine should have remained neutral and if so, all this mess would not have happened.

Trump despite his flaws, no new wars were fought during his regime.
They are the same "pot and kettle". All used drones to kill foreign State of Heads they disliked.
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Old 10-06-2022, 04:49 PM
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BTW the USA has a huge role in its mess with Ukraine, ever since George W Bush fully supported Ukraine entry into NATO in 2008. Since then, Obama fully supported Ukraine bid into NATO. Well after that Russia acted and saw it a major threat and since then occupied the Crimea until the mess today with its invasion.

Ukraine should have remained neutral and if so, all this mess would not have happened.
Shifting blame from Putin to the US isn't appropriate. Even if Putin was uncomfortable with the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO, that certainly doesn't give him the right to invade another country (as he has now done twice).
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Old 10-06-2022, 05:01 PM
 
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Yet if Trump was in power, it seems less likely that Putin would have invaded Ukraine. As after all the Democrats saw Russia as a major threat and when Trump lost, the relationship between Russia and USA went for the worst. However, I do admit there are republicans out there that are anti-Russian hawks as much as the democrats.

BTW the USA has a huge role in its mess with Ukraine, ever since George W Bush fully supported Ukraine entry into NATO in 2008. Since then, Obama fully supported Ukraine bid into NATO. Well after that Russia acted and saw it a major threat and since then occupied the Crimea until the mess today with its invasion.

Ukraine should have remained neutral and if so, all this mess would not have happened.

Trump despite his flaws, no new wars were fought during his regime.
The only person who bears any responsibility for the current mass murder in Ukraine is Vladmir Putin.

Ukraine has every right to be independent and to join any alliance that it wants.

Despite that, Ukraine was not a candidate for NATO membership (other than being a member, like Russia, of the Partnership for Peace).

Ukraine is a democratic, peaceful country that was attacked despite that.

If Putin didn’t like Ukraine turning away from Russia, Putin ought to look in the mirror. Being allied with a murderer is generally unappealing. Perhaps Russia should become a peaceful democracy. Then perhaps it would have friends.
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Old 10-06-2022, 06:47 PM
 
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Yet if Trump was in power, it seems less likely that Putin would have invaded Ukraine. As after all the Democrats saw Russia as a major threat and when Trump lost, the relationship between Russia and USA went for the worst. However, I do admit there are republicans out there that are anti-Russian hawks as much as the democrats.

BTW the USA has a huge role in its mess with Ukraine, ever since George W Bush fully supported Ukraine entry into NATO in 2008. Since then, Obama fully supported Ukraine bid into NATO. Well after that Russia acted and saw it a major threat and since then occupied the Crimea until the mess today with its invasion.

Ukraine should have remained neutral and if so, all this mess would not have happened.

Trump despite his flaws, no new wars were fought during his regime.
That is flat out nonsense. It’s the type of lie that gets spread around by right-wing media. Russia wanted Ukrainian territory period. No amount of hand waving is going to change that. What exactly would Trump have done to stop this?
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Old 10-07-2022, 04:35 AM
 
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Yet if Trump was in power, it seems less likely that Putin would have invaded Ukraine. As after all the Democrats saw Russia as a major threat and when Trump lost, the relationship between Russia and USA went for the worst. However, I do admit there are republicans out there that are anti-Russian hawks as much as the democrats.

BTW the USA has a huge role in its mess with Ukraine, ever since George W Bush fully supported Ukraine entry into NATO in 2008. Since then, Obama fully supported Ukraine bid into NATO. Well after that Russia acted and saw it a major threat and since then occupied the Crimea until the mess today with its invasion.

Ukraine should have remained neutral and if so, all this mess would not have happened.

Trump despite his flaws, no new wars were fought during his regime.
Trump also told P. he supported NATO membership for Ukraine. 3 US Presidents in a row told him that. And yet NATO didn't agree. They rejected the idea. Putin should have met with the head of NATO, instead of with US Presidents. His error was in assuming the US dictates to NATO who should join. He was wrong. Fortunately NATO wasn't as foolish as US Presidents ignoring their own Eurasia expert advisors. NATO members knew a bad idea when they saw one.

How did the relationship with Russia go bad just by a change in presidents? Biden in the latter part of his Senate career was against NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia, but Putin didn't ask him his opinion. Another mistake on his part.

Ukraine offered to be a neutral buffer state in early negotiations with Russia, but Russia didn't care. It really only wants a "neutral" buffer state that they can control, not that the Ukrainian people control. They wanted a puppet state like they had BACK in the, BACK in the USSR (my Paul McCartney quote). Pooty received his training and spent the early part of his career in the old system, where it was normal to push around the constituent members of the Union. He wants to get that back.

He also projects that mindset onto the US, when he assumes the US dictates to NATO who should join. See how that reveals his manner of thinking and behaving? He thinks business as usual, so it never occurred to him to ask NATO its opinion on Ukraine membership.
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