Are Southern Europeans just products of a MENA and Nordic admixture event? (train, people)
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I'm asking because Southern Europeans often overlap with both populations. I don't think there has ever been any genetic study that found Southern Europeans as homogeneous.
True Southern Europeans are indeed genetically more diverse than Northern Europeans in particular. Southern Europe has been at the "crossroads" where Europe meets with other continents. Yes there an ancient Northern European genetical strain within the Southern European population.
Southern europeans have always been very similar to their mediterranean cousins in the other side of the mediterranean, But most mediterranean europeans remained relatively unmixed, many of the so called arabs have mixed historically with subsaharian african populations and central asian populations, so they no longer look so similar to mediterranean europeans.
Many people outside southern europe also dont have a defined nordic or mediterranean look. French (excluding deep southern france) and British/Irish peoples are often a mixture of many groups they dont look like southern europeans but neither northern european.
British and Irish are already Northern Europeans, they do not have to look like other Northern Europeans. The British Isles are located in Northwestern Europe, thus are Northwestern Europeans by excellence. Not all Northern Europeans look alike either, it would be primitive to think so. Southern France especially along the Mediterranean and along the Pyrenees is similar to Southern Europe, however most of France lies north of this region. Spaniards and Portuguese are not that similar to North Africans, the main Y-DNA haplogroup is Iberia is R1b-DF27 while the one in North Africa is E1b1b, big difference! The true Mediterranean type lays within the Middle-East and not Southern Europe. This is due to adaptation to a warmer climate than what Europeans would be used to. Black hair is much more common in the Middle-East, North Africa than in Southern Europe!
Last edited by saxonwold; 09-26-2013 at 10:39 PM..
British and Irish are already Northern Europeans, they do not have to look like other Northern Europeans. The British Isles are located in Northwestern Europe, thus are Northwestern Europeans by excellence. Not all Northern Europeans look alike either, it would be primitive to think so. Southern France especially along the Mediterranean and along the Pyrenees is similar to Southern Europe, however most of France lies north of this region. Spaniards and Portuguese are not that similar to North Africans, the main Y-DNA haplogroup is Iberia is R1b-DF27 while the one in North Africa is E1b1b, big difference! The true Mediterranean type lays within the Middle-East and not Southern Europe. This is due to adaptation to a warmer climate than what Europeans would be used to. Black hair is much more common in the Middle-East, North Africa than in Southern Europe!
Please don't start this 'British people are different' nonsense again!
Southern europeans have always been very similar to their mediterranean cousins in the other side of the mediterranean, But most mediterranean europeans remained relatively unmixed, many of the so called arabs have mixed historically with subsaharian african populations and central asian populations, so they no longer look so similar to mediterranean europeans.
Many people outside southern europe also dont have a defined nordic or mediterranean look. French (excluding deep southern france) and British/Irish peoples are often a mixture of many groups they dont look like southern europeans but neither northern european.
I have everyday contact with people from the Arab world and not all of them look alike. Besides people with blue eyes has always existed with a minority of people in the Levant regions of the mediterranean. The Levant region has since ancient times been occupied by foreign powers. So many middle eastern people look similar to Greeks and Italians especially from the Levant region. Many Arabs also also quite dark, especially in regions outside the Levant Arab world.
I don't believe you that British/Irish people don't look like southern Europeans or Northern Europeans.
What do you mean 'unmixed' anyway, every nationality is a 'mix' of peoples as people have moved around. Plus people have changed so much over the millennia.
There's a theory that most Europeans have relatively recent ancestry from the Middle East/Central Asia. Italians look more like other Mediterranean Caucasoids than Northern Europeans, while Greeks have more Turkish/Levantine admixture. Spaniards and Portuguese have that Moorish element as well.
Please don't start this 'British people are different' nonsense again!
Please be more civil and do not tell me what to do. I would really appreciate it. The reason why I say this is because you did not say the same thing to traveller 86 who brought the topic. I only responded to his statement.
Last edited by saxonwold; 10-17-2013 at 11:52 PM..
Southern europeans have always been very similar to their mediterranean cousins in the other side of the mediterranean, But most mediterranean europeans remained relatively unmixed, many of the so called arabs have mixed historically with subsaharian african populations and central asian populations, so they no longer look so similar to mediterranean europeans.
Many people outside southern europe also dont have a defined nordic or mediterranean look. French (excluding deep southern france) and British/Irish peoples are often a mixture of many groups they dont look like southern europeans but neither northern european.
The fact that many Arabs or whatever those Middle Easterners might be are darker than Southern Europeans is not all due to African ancestry. That is garbage you are saying. Mediterranean Europeans are actually less pure than those outside Europe. You are equating light pigmentation with purity that is Nazi craziness. Brirish and Irish are not more mixed than other Europeans there is no scientific basis for it and genetical evidence definitely do not prove that.
Last edited by Rozenn; 10-18-2013 at 04:00 AM..
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