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No matter who wins in November, we are not getting out of Iraq anytime soon. I wish we had never started this debacle, but now that we ruined the country it is our duty to help put it back together again -- especially things such as their infrastructure. Nonetheless, there is no reason why oil rich Iraq isn't pitching in at the point. We want out, but I am not entirely convinced that the current Iraqi government wants us out....
Thanks for the links.....it's a mess, and pulling our troops out is unfortunately not going to happen as it would be devasting to the region, and ultimately us.
How much per month would his war with Pakistan cost? Remember, Pakistan has an inventory of nuclear weapons, Iraq & Afghanistan didn't.
First, Obama has NEVER advocated war with Pakistan, but he has been clear on this very precise issue. If actionable intelligence indicates that they have the location of Osama bin Laden or high ranking al-Qaeda members the US would strike if Pakistan did not. In short doing pretty much what Bush is doing now (of course after arguing that such a policy was irresponsible). So if you have a contrary quote, post it... I won't hold my breath waiting however.
As for war with Pakistan... Let's say such a thing came to pass, are you suggesting that Pakistan would actually risk a nuclear exchange with the US? They have been involved in a full scale shooting war with India for quite sometime, did I miss the mushroom clouds? A surely a right wing conservative like McCain wouldn't be afeared of a nuclear with little old Pakistan when he is ready to play a game of brinkmanship with nuclear Russia over two inconsequential provinces of Georgia?
No matter who wins in November, we are not getting out of Iraq anytime soon. I wish we had never started this debacle, but now that we ruined the country it is our duty to help put it back together again -- especially things such as their infrastructure. Nonetheless, there is no reason why oil rich Iraq isn't pitching in at the point. We want out, but I am not entirely convinced that the current Iraqi government wants us out....
Believe me, they want us out, but everytime they tell us that, Bush pulls them aside for a briefing, after which they say, 'well you can stay another few years'. Let's stop pretending shall we? Iraq was much more stable under Sadaam. Christians were protected, and Shia and Sunni lived together in relative peace, because Sadaam was opposed to the Islamic Fundamentalist leanings of the Shia, and killed them if they started displaying them.
Now we that we have bombed the hell out of their country, left tons of depleted uranium, caused the death of a million of them and displaced a couple million more - do we owe them something? Yeah, but we don't have the money to pay for it, so let's just get out of their country, and leave them the hell alone. Same thing in Afganistan. We aren't after Bin Laden, we want to control the oil pipelines thru the region just like Russia did, and like Britan wanted to do in Iraq - Bush your world dmoniation plan has failed, and you have caused chaos in America and the world.
Believe me, they want us out, but everytime they tell us that, Bush pulls them aside for a briefing, after which they say, 'well you can stay another few years'. Let's stop pretending shall we? Iraq was much more stable under Sadaam. Christians were protected, and Shia and Sunni lived together in relative peace, because Sadaam was opposed to the Islamic Fundamentalist leanings of the Shia, and killed them if they started displaying them.
Now we that we have bombed the hell out of their country, left tons of depleted uranium, caused the death of a million of them and displaced a couple million more - do we owe them something? Yeah, but we don't have the money to pay for it, so let's just get out of their country, and leave them the hell alone. Same thing in Afganistan. We aren't after Bin Laden, we want to control the oil pipelines thru the region just like Russia did, and like Britan wanted to do in Iraq - Bush your world dmoniation plan has failed, and you have caused chaos in America and the world.
Hell must be freezing over as I completely agree with you!
Nonethless, I honestly don't see how the hell we can get out of there quickly without causing even more problems. Truthfully, ten days, ten months or ten years it will still be a mess. We can only hope that obama and whomever is on his cabinet can really understand the long term ramifications of the withdrawal when it does happen so that it happens at the most optimal time.
All the major oil suppliers in the world do not have our best interest in mind.
It gives those regimes a very strong say in our economy and productivity.
The more allies we have that supply oil the better. The more oil producers we have on our side the more say we have in our future.
It is a national security issue.
Hate Palin or not she was dead right. You can't look around your home and name something that got there without petroleum products. Unless you have an all organic garden outside with no fertilizers or bagged soils.
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Hell must be freezing over as I completely agree with you!
Nonethless, I honestly don't see how the hell we can get out of there quickly without causing even more problems. Truthfully, ten days, ten months or ten years it will still be a mess. We can only hope that obama and whomever is on his cabinet can really understand the long term ramifications of the withdrawal when it does happen so that it happens at the most optimal time.
The sooner we leave their country, the better for them and for us. Iraq and Afganistan are countries with long histories of foreign occupation. Ironically under Sadaam Iraq had relative peace, but now the Fundamentalist Shia control most of Iraq. Nonetheless, the Iraqis have a way of settling their own differences among themselves, if left to themselves. They are basicly a rather hedonistic people, but not really war-like. I realize that's a subjective opinion, but I think they have suffered enough under these wars, and just want to live in peace.
The sooner we leave their country, the better for them and for us. Iraq and Afganistan are countries with long histories of foreign occupation. Ironically under Sadaam Iraq had relative peace, but now the Fundamentalist Shia control most of Iraq. Nonetheless, the Iraqis have a way of settling their own differences among themselves, if left to themselves. They are basicly a rather hedonistic people, but not really war-like. I realize that's a subjective opinion, but I think they have suffered enough under these wars, and just want to live in peace.
I think I've tried to give you three rep points in the past 5 minutes. It says I need to spread the love. But nice posts!
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