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Old 04-30-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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Is your choice of pastor more important than your choice of spouse? I have listened to all this rhetoric for weeks now about the pastor problem. People choose to remain in relationships or leave them for a variety of personal reasons. Barack Obama is being raked over the coals for "staying" with a pastor, but if you were to raise the question of judgement of why Hillary "stayed" with Bill or why John McCain "cheated' on his wife, suddenly that is a personal relationship that holds no bearing on the election. This is nonsense. They are all carrying personal decisions that they made in the past. Hillary said you have a choice and her choice was to stay with a man who was 90 percent what she wanted and needed, Barack stayed with a church that was 90 percent what he wanted and needed, John McCain left a family behind.
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:30 AM
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If one is religious or claims to be, then the choice of church and pastor is very important. Personally, I feel that ones choice of spouse is a bit more important, but if one is very religious, then I believe for many, their choice of pastor could be equally or more important. For instance, some people will only marry another church member.

But at the very least a choice of pastor is on the same level as choosing ones best or close friends.
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:36 AM
 
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Choice of pastor? Not so much. Choice in mentor? Very, very important.
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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Choice of pastor? Not so much. Choice in mentor? Very, very important.
Being Catholic, we tend to be assigned to a diocese and parish and our priests are chosen for us. Our priests are reassigned on a regular basis, and we do not follow them. The message does not change with each priest, it is universal.

My father was Reformed Puritan, and he knew his pastor, but they were not close friends, but the pastor married my grandparents and baptised my dad and his siblings, but that did not make a relationship, he was the person who did the ceremonies.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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Well, now it all depends on how you look at it. I personally think Obama made a poor decision choosing both his pastor and his spouse. They are two peas in a pod with their white people and America hating. People get married for different reasons and marriages evolve over time. What works for Hill and Bill may not work for you but who are you to say she was wrong to stay? The same way it's not for me to judge Obama's choices, but I can have my opinions, just as you can. I can't comment on McCain b/c I don't know anything about why he left his wife. Again, not important to the issues that are destroying our country.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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Choice of pastor? Not so much. Choice in mentor? Very, very important.
Remember he was his spiritual and not racial mentor. Unless you question his faith in God then a good job acceptable to all believers was done. Obama had a bunch of white friends as his racial mentors. Remember all the naughty white people folks are trying to associate him with?
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:16 AM
 
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Well, now it all depends on how you look at it. I personally think Obama made a poor decision choosing both his pastor and his spouse. They are two peas in a pod with their white people and America hating. People get married for different reasons and marriages evolve over time. What works for Hill and Bill may not work for you but who are you to say she was wrong to stay? The same way it's not for me to judge Obama's choices, but I can have my opinions, just as you can. I can't comment on McCain b/c I don't know anything about why he left his wife. Again, not important to the issues that are destroying our country.
I did not say she was wrong to stay, I said she made a decision to stay witha person who fulfilled 90 percent of her needs. Just as Obama chose to stay with a church that fullfilled 90 percent of his needs. The man with a lack of commitment and fidelilty by his own admission was John McCain. My point is that none of it is relevant or all of it is relevant.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:19 AM
 
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Well, now it all depends on how you look at it. I personally think Obama made a poor decision choosing both his pastor and his spouse. They are two peas in a pod with their white people and America hating.

I dont think they hate whites,just the oppression that white americans have thrust upon blacks for the past few hundred years.And yes,it still exists,as blacks face unequal,sub human treatment in loans,jobs,prison sentences,etc
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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I dont think they hate whites,just the oppression that white americans have thrust upon blacks for the past few hundred years.
Well I've only been alive for 36 years and I don't do anything to hold them down and Mrs. Obama has had many more opportunites than I and her bank account has more zeroes in it. I don't begrudge her that. Good for her but she needs to realize white people didn't hold her down. Tired of hearing the same old, same old.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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Well, now it all depends on how you look at it. I personally think Obama made a poor decision choosing both his pastor and his spouse. They are two peas in a pod with their white people and America hating. People get married for different reasons and marriages evolve over time. What works for Hill and Bill may not work for you but who are you to say she was wrong to stay? The same way it's not for me to judge Obama's choices, but I can have my opinions, just as you can. I can't comment on McCain b/c I don't know anything about why he left his wife. Again, not important to the issues that are destroying our country.
My only comment here is you know what they say. Opinions are like a**holes everyone has one. Doesn't mean your right.
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