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Old 03-11-2020, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Where are we now? Six months out? You might want to follow your own advice and realize that the numbers that you are quoting now are no more predictive than they were for Hillary Clinton at this point in the race in 2016.

And it is not just the polls, but all of your so-called "experts" as well. LOL. With "experts" like those, who needs imbeciles?

Remember 2016. You guys should have learned your lesson last tine around, but it does not appear that you did. Not at all.
I agree they are not predictive of the general election outcome at this point.

But they are useful data comparisons to judge which D candidate we think we should vote for, a decision we have to make now.

The data can tell us with some degree of certainty, if the election were held today, which candidate would fare better. But there’s still a long campaign ahead so plenty of things will shift as we move forward.
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Old 03-13-2020, 09:42 AM
 
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So the conditions for the next debate have been changed, with the location being DC instead of Arizona, and with no audience, all attributed to concerns about the Cornavirus.

This will make things interesting, because viewers will have to determine what is right and wrong, what is popular and what is not without the equivalence of a laugh track accompanying the debate to queue them how to perceive and to think about these things.

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Two Democrats, Altered Fortunes, Empty Stands: Dynamics Shift in 11th Debate

The coronavirus outbreak, which prompted both Messrs. Biden and Sanders to cancel events in Cleveland on Tuesday, led the DNC to forgo an audience in the debate theater. There will be no background clapping or booing, as some debate audiences have done in previous rounds.

Zac Petkanas, a Democratic strategist who worked on Hillary Clinton’s 2016 bid, said that could make a “huge difference” for the candidates and viewers at home.

“The candidates are flying without a net,” Mr. Petkanas said. “They won’t get reactions for their jokes, for things that they think are really popular. It becomes a lot harder because you’re not able to gauge how things are being perceived, and viewers are going to be operating without the equivalent of a laugh track in a sitcom. They have to figure out on their own what’s popular and what’s not.
Of course there will be huge spin of the debate afterwards by the mass media, by surrogates from the candidates, etc. But first impressions will be left to the TV viewing audience to determine on their own.

Unless the DNC decides to actually include a "laugh track" that can be queued whenever it is deemed appropriate. It probably will not happen, but with this crew, nothing of this sort can be entirely ruled out.
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Old 03-13-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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The debate broadcast will be time delayed so they can edit out any Biden gaffes and stammering for words.

Joe will know the questions in advance, and they'll have the answers posted on a large ticker tape just above where the camera's will be staged.

This "debate" is a staged charade. It will be as real as a Soap Opera episode, and Bernie will play along so he can keep making Million doing almost nothing,a nd accomplishing almost nothing.
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Old 03-14-2020, 09:17 AM
 
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In the RCP 'betting odds' average, Hillary Clinton is now in second place ahead of Bernie Sanders.

RCP 'Betting Odds' Average
89.2 - Joe Biden
06.7 - Hillary Clinton
04.5 - Bernie Sanders

Both Hillary and Bernie are in the single digits, but as we have seen in recent weeks, these polls have lately demonstrated the tendency to shift radically in very short periods of time. So, even though Joe Biden has what appears to be a commanding lead right now, it is no certainty that he wins the nomination, any more that it was certain that Hillary Clinton would defeat President Trump in the 2016 election - with similar or maybe even better odds being given by many for Hillary - or that Bernie Sanders would get the nomination when he held a respectable lead in this average just a few weeks ago.
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Old 03-16-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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Joe Biden has now indicated he will pick a woman as his running mate, if he wins the nomination for the Democrats. Presumably, that will be a person with a XX chromosome, and not someone with a XY chromosome (a man) who has decided to self-identify as a woman.

Representative James Clyburn (D-SC), who recently provided a key endorsement for Joe Biden a few days before the South Carolina primary which initiated the rapid consolidation of support for Biden, and the rapid abandonment from the contest by various other major competitors, thinks Biden's nominee should be a black woman.

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James Clyburn on Biden picking a running mate: 'I prefer an African American woman'

Rep. James Clyburn urged former Vice President Joe Biden to pick a black woman as his running mate.

“There are a number of women who are qualified to be president tomorrow. I would pick a woman to be my vice president,” Biden said at Sunday’s Democratic presidential debate. Clyburn, who gave Biden a critical endorsement before the South Carolina primary, said there’s a “deeper bench than people realize” of black women who are qualified. "I'll never tell you who I'm going to advise him," Clyburn told Axios, "but I would advise him that we need to have a woman on the ticket, and I prefer an African American woman."

Clyburn, the House majority whip, is the highest-ranking black elected official in either party in Congress.

California Sen. Kamala Harris, Ohio Rep. Marcia Fudge, Florida Rep. Val Demings, former Georgia state Rep. Stacey Abrams, Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, and former national security adviser Susan Rice are all possibilities, Clyburn said.
So, men need not apply and if James Clyburn gets his way, white people need not apply either. Identity politics is clearly alive and well among the Democrats in 2020.

Who is the first name on that list? Kamala Harris. And it does not get any better after that.
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Old 03-16-2020, 12:02 PM
 
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Joe Biden has now indicated he will pick a woman as his running mate, if he wins the nomination for the Democrats. Presumably, that will be a person with a XX chromosome, and not someone with a XY chromosome (a man) who has decided to self-identify as a woman.

Representative James Clyburn (D-SC), who recently provided a key endorsement for Joe Biden a few days before the South Carolina primary which initiated the rapid consolidation of support for Biden, and the rapid abandonment from the contest by various other major competitors, thinks Biden's nominee should be a black woman.

So, men need not apply and if James Clyburn gets his way, white people need not apply either. Identity politics is clearly alive and well among the Democrats in 2020.

Who is the first name on that list? Kamala Harris. And it does not get any better after that.
Joe Biden needs to pick a running mate that will excite the progressive wing of the party and get them excited to vote on Election Day. He already has the enthusiastic support of moderates, disaffected Republicans, and left leaning Democrats by being palatable pretty-much-anyone-but-Trump. Whether that person is Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, or Val Demmings remains to be seen.
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Old 03-16-2020, 12:44 PM
 
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Joe Biden needs to pick a running mate that will excite the progressive wing of the party and get them excited to vote on Election Day. He already has the enthusiastic support of moderates, disaffected Republicans, and left leaning Democrats by being palatable pretty-much-anyone-but-Trump. Whether that person is Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, or Val Demmings remains to be seen.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Should be interesting.
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Old 03-16-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Should be interesting.
Personally, I think it will be Abrams. But Biden/Harris would likely beat Trump.
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Old 03-16-2020, 01:28 PM
 
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There no clown like the one and only in the White House.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLy5UTkGE
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Old 03-16-2020, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Personally, I think it will be Abrams. But Biden/Harris would likely beat Trump.
You do know that Abrams was nearly bankrupt, and held ~$250,000 in consumer debt...right?

If a person cannot keep their own financial house in order, should we trust them with trillions of our money?

I think not. Anyone but Abrams. Take Amy Klobuchar as VP instead, and make Kamala Supreme Court Justice...she's a lawyer...better fit.
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