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When you think about the exit poll demographics, this makes a whole lot of sense. Remember how it's been reported that Obama is getting a HUGE majority of voters earning over $150,000? The mainstream of the Democratic Party has traditionally been comprised of blue-collar and middle class folks.
Good point! Sometimes we get so deep into the trees that we fail to notice the forest....I failed to make the connection. Thank you for pointing that out.
Secondly, I don't see a whole bunch of democrats, even if they are to the center or even to the right, going towards McCain. I just don't see it, especially after eight years of Bush.
In the Dem. blogs I read and sometimes participate in, the anger at the Democratic Party for hanging Hillary out to dry is PALPABLE and getting stronger. Many folks are talking about registering as Independents and either voting for McCain or not voting for president in the general election. It's at the point where the Obama people are getting worried and begging people to stick with the party and vote for Obama if he gets the nomination.
Thus, if this article is correct and Rove and the Gang have been manipulating the Dem. primaries, some of Obama's GOP support will retreat after the mischief-making is done and the Hillary (and to some degree, the Edwards) supporters will be turning their backs on the Democratic Party.
Secondly, I don't see a whole bunch of democrats, even if they are to the center or even to the right, going towards McCain. I just don't see it, especially after eight years of Bush.
The problem with this argument is that McCain ISN'T Bush. Not even close, in fact. (Yes, I realize he's pandering to the conservatives at the moment.) They call him a "maverick" because he's constantly viewed as being outside the "mainstream" of Republican politics. In this case, the "mainstream" that he is outside of is the radical right-wing evangelical 'christian' faction of the Republican Party.
McCain is clearly a centrist Republican. Why do you think so many Republicans are as pissed at him? That is a distinct plus for Democratic leaning centrists such as myself and a large number of other Hillary supporters.
If the ultra-liberal Socialist faction of the Democratic party continues to choose to nominate an unelectable general election candidate, McCain is where we'll go.
I would buy that more if McCain wasn't so hawkish on Iraq. I just don't see it.
The reality of the situation at this point is that we will never leave Iraq regardless of WHO is elected. We are entrenched there and will always have Korea-like presence there. As a matter of fact, BUSH is going to see to it that that happens by cuircumventing Congress and establishing a treaty to that effect.
Do I want to be in Iraq for "100 years"? Hell no. But, the die is already cast and neither Hillary, Obama nor McCain can change it. Period. I think that all 3 would in fact remove the majority of the troops however because American's as a whole are sick of this $500,000-a-minute war.
Ah, I feel like I'm the only one present who's noticed the emperor has no clothes.
Did ANY of you bother to read the article and then LINK to the Time magazine webpage supposedly used to provide proof of the article authors' claim?
DUH!
The Time article does nothing of the sort. In fact, the article indicates that the Republicans pushing for Obama are doing so because they are UNHAPPY WITH THEIR REPUBLICAN CHOICES - and to me that seems to be the case. Go out to Hannity.com for example - which is overflowing with hard-core Conservatives and you'll see just how unhappy so many Republicans are. While few of THOSE posters - who tend to be very right-wing - are likely to vote for Obama, many of them are indicating they will stay out of the election all together so it doesn't surprise me that other (more central) Republicans are planning on switching sides - that happens for some members of both parties in virtually every election.
Ah, I feel like I'm the only one present who's noticed the emperor has no clothes.
Did ANY of you bother to read the article and then LINK to the Time magazine webpage supposedly used to provide proof of the article authors' claim?
DUH!
The Time article does nothing of the sort. In fact, the article indicates that the Republicans pushing for Obama are doing so because they are UNHAPPY WITH THEIR REPUBLICAN CHOICES - and to me that seems to be the case. Go out to Hannity.com for example - which is overflowing with hard-core Conservatives and you'll see just how unhappy so many Republicans are. While few of THOSE posters - who tend to be very right-wing - are likely to vote for Obama, many of them are indicating they will stay out of the election all together so it doesn't surprise me that other (more central) Republicans are planning on switching sides - that happens for some members of both parties in virtually every election.
The main article is wishful thinking BS.
Ken
Of course I read it and the author of the main article WANTED everyone to read it. The link was posted as an example of how illogically the mainstream media is ga-ga over Obama and the main article showed how stupid the Time article's assertions were. (i.e. we're expected to believe that a large number of Republicans were SO impressed by Obama's speech in 2004 that they'll vote for THE most liberal Senator in the country?! )
Ah, I feel like I'm the only one present who's noticed the emperor has no clothes.
Did ANY of you bother to read the article and then LINK to the Time magazine webpage supposedly used to provide proof of the article authors' claim?
DUH!
The Time article does nothing of the sort. In fact, the article indicates that the Republicans pushing for Obama are doing so because they are UNHAPPY WITH THEIR REPUBLICAN CHOICES - and to me that seems to be the case. Go out to Hannity.com for example - which is overflowing with hard-core Conservatives and you'll see just how unhappy so many Republicans are. While few of THOSE posters - who tend to be very right-wing - are likely to vote for Obama, many of them are indicating they will stay out of the election all together so it doesn't surprise me that other (more central) Republicans are planning on switching sides - that happens for some members of both parties in virtually every election.
The main article is wishful thinking BS.
Ken
Plus people are forgetting to mention all the Independent voters who actually like Obama. They are a sizeable chunk as well.
Of course I read it and the author of the main article WANTED everyone to read it. The link was posted as an example of how illogically the mainstream media is ga-ga over Obama and the main article showed how stupid the Time article's assertions were. (i.e. we're expected to believe that a large number of Republicans were SO impressed by Obama's speech in 2004 that they'll vote for THE most liberal Senator in the country?! )
Go to Hannity.com and see for your self just how extremely unhappy the right wing of the Republican party is.
Why do you think their primary turnout numbers have been so low? They hate their candidate. Others among them feel betrayed by the fiscal irresponsibilities of Bush and the current crop of Republicans in Congress.
A large number of Republicans ARE unhappy - intensely so in fact - some of them so much so that they want to teach their party a lessen or have given up on it completely.
Again, don't just take my word for it - visit the Conservative message boards and see what the members are saying - many of them LONG TIME members of the boards. They are a pretty unhappy bunch.
Yeah maybe there's dems or hardcore Hillary backers switching to McCain but its kinda offset by all the pissed off Reps that aren't supporting McCain, plus throw in the Independents who like Obama.
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