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View Poll Results: Do you know why we can't use nuclear weapons?
Yes 7 100.00%
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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That was not the topic. Pakistan is a ally of convenience.
North Korea is protected by ChiCom.

We are referring to tactical use against adversaries who have none.

Good grief, some of you guys are plain scary.
How do you tacticalyl use a nuclear weapon and against who?
Do you really not understand how these weapons work?
Not only would they destroy the "enemy" they would destroy part of the planet and making it inhabitable for a long time. Moreover you don't only kill the bad guys but Millions of innocent people just living there. There is collateral damage an their there is reckless manslaughter. Also the part of the world where one "tactically" drops such a weapon of mass-destruction (BTW it has that definition for a reason ) might has neighboring countries which are NOT an enemy of ours and/or even allies of ours or allies of an ally. So one would have to consider the Nuclear fallout and weather as this could easily affect not only the initial target area.
Those are just the very very basic things ANYBODY should be able to comprehend and the fact that you can't just like your hero Trump, again, is plain SCARY!
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:56 PM
 
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The thing is, we didn't hear Trump say anything of the sort. Joe Scarborough said it, and it perfectly feeds into the wall of fear and anxiety MSNBC and CNN are trying to create about Trump.

And you people trip all over yourselves believing it.
Apparently this is all the evidence people need. They don't need to hear it from the source, just from the outlets that have proven themselves to be compromised.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yeah, it's always the fault of the media. Poor picked on Donald; nothing can never be his fault. It is sort of like he and his loyal followers are hunkered down in the bunker together, telling each other not to worry, they can still pull this out.
Perhaps playing the victim card validates the perceptions of some of his base. It's always someone else's fault.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why don't you waste your time worrying about money Hilary and Obama shipped to Iran so they can build nuclear weapons to nuke USA?
You mean the money paid by the former Shah of Iran to US contractors for war toys in the 70's?

When the Shah was deposed and given refuge in the US, US government seized and froze the assets. Iran sued. An international tribunal resolves such matters and it was looking like they were leaning towards a return with interest- $ billions.

All of this was public record back in January. Iran told it's people the US paid ransom for the 4 they were holding captive. Members of Congress were in a tizzy.

And here we are 8 months later and WSJ pretends like this is news.

I have no opinion as it relates to the pay for release thing. Returning just the principal, sans 47 years of compounded interest, sounds like a good deal. Even better if it contributed to the release of the 4.

What does this have to do with Hillary?

That $400 Million Secret Payment to Iran Isn't Quite What You Think It Is
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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They can't refine their own oil and you think they have nukes?
Oh you and your facts.
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Gave each of the Fox prime time shows 15 minutes of attention this evening.

O' Reilly dismissed the $400 million thing as old news. It's Iran's money going back to 1979.

Megyn Kelly talked about the most recent messes Trump got himself into and made no excuses. The Fox News poll shows him trailing Clinton by 10 points.

Hannity opened his show with his advise to the Trump campaign.

It went along the lines of stop taking the bait and stay focused on destroying Obama and Clinton.

He then went on to say Trump should host town halls all over the country to talk about his plans and how he intends to achieve them.

Then he went into overdrive on the release of $400 million to Iran, ignoring the backstory including that it was Iran's money that had been frozen for 47 years and that an international tribunal with the authority to resolve international disputes was leaning towards the US returning the $400 million principal and 47 years of compounded interest.

He's mad at Ryan, McCain, Kasich , Cruz and Christie for not being more supportive of the victim, Trump.

One evening. One channel. 3 very different reactions.
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:50 PM
 
Location: CT
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There has been someone in contemporary history elected via a populist movement, this person also used hatred and fear to justify genocide and spared no effort or expense to apply the most efficient means to that end. I'm not necessarily surprised at many of the posts supporting Trump's willingness to take the nuclear option, and I dearly hope this is just a small vocal group prone to tough talk. But do we really want to try repeating history?
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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I just got in, and I haven't read through all the posts. The question is, did Trump deny it?
I sincerely hope he'd refuse to even discuss it.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That said, it won't be long before Trump impulsively and publicly ROATM about one or another of the things he heard - at which point who is the more or less treasonous is moot.
Well, that didn't take long:
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Trump Boasts About Watching ‘Top Secret’ Iran Video Immediately After Becoming Eligible To Receive Classified Briefings

Donald Trump on Wednesday described vivid details from a video he said he had watched earlier in the day of Iranian officials unloading cash from an airplane.

The money was part of a payment, announced earlier this year, from the U.S. to Iran to settle a decades-old dispute over an incomplete weapons sale.

“I’ll never forget the scene this morning,” Trump told the crowd in Daytona Beach, Florida, of what he said he had watched. “Iran ― I don’t think you’ve heard this anywhere but here ― Iran provided all of that footage, the tape, of taking that money off that airplane.

“Over there, where that plane landed, top secret, they don’t have a lot of paparazzi, you know,” Trump said. “The paparazzi doesn’t do so well over there.” But “they have a perfect tape, obviously done by a government camera, and the tape is of the people taking the money off the plane. It’s a military tape. It’s a tape that was a perfect angle, nice and steady.”

No publicly available video matches what Trump described. This raises the possibility that Trump was either fabricating the contents of a non-existent video, or he was disclosing information to which he has newly been granted access.

Trump’s description of the “top secret” tape came just days after the Republican presidential nominee became eligible to receive classified intelligence briefings ― a privilege afforded to the nominees of the two major political parties in order to prepare them, should they win the White House.

A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign declined to say how Trump acquired the video.

A spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the group that handles classified national security briefings for presidential candidates, did not immediately respond to a question about whether Trump has been briefed by the agency.

But both Trump and Clinton are eligible for classified briefings now that they have secured their parties’ nominations, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, said late last month after the presidential conventions. The Atlantic’s Russell Berman reported Wednesday that Trump and Clinton could begin receiving briefings “as soon as the coming days.”

The vividness of Trump’s description of the video makes it difficult to imagine a scenario in which he made it up. He described how the video was shot by a steady hand. “Nobody getting nervous they’re going to be shot because they’re taking a picture of money pouring off a plane.”

Trump continued: “Iran released that tape, which is of quality like these guys have,” he said, pointing to the media in the back of the room. “Iran released that tape so that we will be embarrassed.”

UPDATE: 9:11 p.m. ― A video clip shown on Fox News Wednesday morning appeared to show U.S. citizens arriving in Geneva on Jan. 17. The video was clearly marked “Geneva, Switzerland.”

If this is the “top secret” Iran video that Trump claims to have seen, it would mean that Trump told his audience a half-dozen things about the tape that aren’t accurate. Contrary to what Trump said about the video he claimed to have seen, this video was not shot in Iran, it did not show the exchange of cash, it was not “top secret,” it was not “a military tape,” and it was not “provided by Iran.” Nor was it released to “embarrass the United States,” as Trump repeatedly claimed.

On the contrary, the safe return of U.S. citizens to neutral Switzerland was widely viewed as a victory for international diplomacy and U.S. foreign policy.

A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not respond to an inquiry about whether Trump was referring to the Geneva tape.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b04414d1f370b9
He just can't help himself.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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Well, that didn't take long. He just can't help himself.
This is what many of us feared--that as soon as Trump got access to security briefings he just wouldn't be able to help himself. He'd just have to share what he knows to make himself seem important.

Remember the old saying, "Loose lips sink ships?" Trump's big mouth will do that and more. We can joke about the orange idiot all day, and he gives us so much to ridicule that it's hard not to, but when it comes down to it, it's really not funny at all.
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