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Old 04-25-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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Why is it whenever the GOP runs someone who campaigns on a fiscally conservative/moderately,non-religious social issue platform, they're almost always competitive, barring the election being in an extremely liberal area?

Example: I know that Democrats weren't out in full force in 2009, but Bob McDonnell ran on such a platform and carried Fairfax County in Northern Virginia which is pretty good for a republican.

Another Example: Even Pre-Sandy, Chris Christie was still competitive for reelection in New Jersey

What are your thoughts?
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:23 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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it is anyone who runs to the middle not just republicans
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:57 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Why is it whenever the GOP runs someone who campaigns on a fiscally conservative/moderately,non-religious social issue platform, they're almost always competitive, barring the election being in an extremely liberal area?

Example: I know that Democrats weren't out in full force in 2009, but Bob McDonnell ran on such a platform and carried Fairfax County in Northern Virginia which is pretty good for a republican.

Another Example: Even Pre-Sandy, Chris Christie was still competitive for reelection in New Jersey

What are your thoughts?
Christie is anti-gay, so he does not qualify.
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Old 04-26-2013, 06:48 AM
 
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Why is it whenever the GOP runs someone who campaigns on a fiscally conservative/moderately,non-religious social issue platform, they're almost always competitive, barring the election being in an extremely liberal area?

Example: I know that Democrats weren't out in full force in 2009, but Bob McDonnell ran on such a platform and carried Fairfax County in Northern Virginia which is pretty good for a republican.

Another Example: Even Pre-Sandy, Chris Christie was still competitive for reelection in New Jersey

What are your thoughts?
Because fiscally conservative/moderately,non-religious social issue platform has been ceded to the Democrats in most places. Pretty much everyone considers themselves to be fiscally conservative, it's just a question of who's spending is a priority. Both parities have moved so far to the right that moderate approaches to both government and social issues have pretty much been handed off to the Democrats. A Republican in many states has a difficult time getting through primaries without being either a Randian ideologue and/or socially regressive, and religious.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:14 AM
 
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Why is it whenever the GOP runs someone who campaigns on a fiscally conservative/moderately,non-religious social issue platform, they're almost always competitive, barring the election being in an extremely liberal area?

Example: I know that Democrats weren't out in full force in 2009, but Bob McDonnell ran on such a platform and carried Fairfax County in Northern Virginia which is pretty good for a republican.

Another Example: Even Pre-Sandy, Chris Christie was still competitive for reelection in New Jersey

What are your thoughts?
McDonnell ran a great campaign against a terrible candidate. Christie's approval rating soared after Sandy because he didn't play the part in GOP's scorched earth strategy.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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There are big differences in the two men: Christie has a certain personality that gets people's attention: McDonnell is boring. Whether we like it or not, people vote personality as well as other things. I do not consider Christie a moderate when it comes to everything, he is for amnesty but a lot of Republicans are. He is basically a moderate conservative I would say. McDonnell doesn't come out as being particularly strong on most issues. I just see two very different candidates. You might also be surprised how many Republicans are fiscally conservative and socially middle of the road, feeling strongly about most issues, but not always strong conservatively. Many of us are also not really hung up on religion like the OP thinks we are. In fact the majority of us probably are not. Believe it or not, there are some really holier than thou Democrats as well. I know, some of them go to my church..
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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There are big differences in the two men: Christie has a certain personality that gets people's attention: McDonnell is boring. Whether we like it or not, people vote personality as well as other things. I do not consider Christie a moderate when it comes to everything, he is for amnesty but a lot of Republicans are. He is basically a moderate conservative I would say. McDonnell doesn't come out as being particularly strong on most issues. I just see two very different candidates. You might also be surprised how many Republicans are fiscally conservative and socially middle of the road, feeling strongly about most issues, but not always strong conservatively. Many of us are also not really hung up on religion like the OP thinks we are. In fact the majority of us probably are not. Believe it or not, there are some really holier than thou Democrats as well. I know, some of them go to my church..
A pathway to citizenship is not amnesty.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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Example: I know that Democrats weren't out in full force in 2009, but Bob McDonnell ran on such a platform and carried Fairfax County in Northern Virginia which is pretty good for a republican.
McDonnell signed the pre-abortion ultra-sound bill and has just recently introduced a bill amendment that would ban private health insurance policies that cover abortions from participating in the Virginia insurance exchanges. I'd hardly call those the signs of a social moderate.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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A pathway to citizenship is not amnesty.
Duh; I used it as an expression, so stop getting so technical for heavens sake. And yes, it is a form of amnesty for heavens sake.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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McDonnell signed the pre-abortion ultra-sound bill and has just recently introduced a bill amendment that would ban private health insurance policies that cover abortions from participating in the Virginia insurance exchanges. I'd hardly call those the signs of a social moderate.
You have to remember there are several social issues facing us today. I am not saying how I feel about him, but one issue does not necessarily make a person moderate, conservative or liberal. Most of us, if we use our brain and are honest are a mixture, depending on the issue. I know, I certainly am. On social issues, I have conservative views, moderate views and actually pretty liberal views, depending on the issue. Anyone who doesn't hold various views has their head in the sand and isn't thinking with an open mind.
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