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I understand that now that the Republican Convention is over Mitt has decided he has to be more moderate on immigration and now is telling Hispanic audiences and big business that he will reform the immigration system. Translation: Greatly reduced enforcement, huge increases in legal immigration so we can lower wages further, and lots of guest workers for the labor shortages his business friends claim is happening. Funny how that worked out.
Mitt was only tough on immigration so he could get conservatives support in the primaries due to all the very conservative voters in the Republican primaries.
I understand that now that the Republican Convention is over Mitt has decided he has to be more moderate on immigration and now is telling Hispanic audiences and big business that he will reform the immigration system. Translation: Greatly reduced enforcement, huge increases in legal immigration so we can lower wages further, and lots of guest workers for the labor shortages his business friends claim is happening. Funny how that worked out.
Mitt was only tough on immigration so he could get conservatives support in the primaries due to all the very conservative voters in the Republican primaries.
Also he supports raising the H1B cap..more jobs lost for Americans.
In all fairness, Obama isn't really doing anything about illegal immigration either, but he's done more than Bush ever did with actually raiding some big illegal hiring companies.
Lets talk to the 1200 that just lost their jobs because 8 coal mines were shut down. How about the company in S. Carolina that just shut down and moving their operations outside the U.S. Whatever happened to shovel ready jobs and Solyndra. What happened to Fiskar? No jobs produced there. The list goes on. By the way, we have more like 15% unemployment. The way it's counted a lot of people moved to collecting welfare and not counted. Many are working in jobs that pay low wages.
Anyway, live your wonderful Obama land of plenty world.
Lets talk to the 1200 that just lost their jobs because 8 coal mines were shut down. How about the company in S. Carolina that just shut down and moving their operations outside the U.S. Whatever happened to shovel ready jobs and Solyndra. What happened to Fiskar? No jobs produced there. The list goes on. By the way, we have more like 15% unemployment. The way it's counted a lot of people moved to collecting welfare and not counted. Many are working in jobs that pay low wages.
Anyway, live your wonderful Obama land of plenty world.
I understand that now that the Republican Convention is over Mitt has decided he has to be more moderate on immigration and now is telling Hispanic audiences and big business that he will reform the immigration system. Translation: Greatly reduced enforcement, huge increases in legal immigration so we can lower wages further, and lots of guest workers for the labor shortages his business friends claim is happening. Funny how that worked out.
Mitt was only tough on immigration so he could get conservatives support in the primaries due to all the very conservative voters in the Republican primaries.
I know how you feel but we all have to realize, there is very little choice but to sit back, take a deep breath and see what will be the best way to handle the out of control illegal problems. We are going to need to make some concessions:h We can't send between 12 and 20 million illegals back to their country, regardless of what country it is. We need to think about the kids who are here because mom and dad brought them here as infants and we need to realize, like it or not, many of the farm jobs American workers do not want. I argued this for years, now I realize it is a fact. For whatever reason our undereducated, out of work young people would rather get a welfare check than to pcik cotton or strawberries. The best option is a guest worker program and to figure out a way to help those kids get educated so they will not be another generation of welfare receivers.
Should we go out of our way to help them or see them take jobs from legal Americans? Of course not, but sad as it seems,there are Americans who really don't want to sweat....
I know how you feel but we all have to realize, there is very little choice but to sit back, take a deep breath and see what will be the best way to handle the out of control illegal problems. We are going to need to make some concessions:h We can't send between 12 and 20 million illegals back to their country, regardless of what country it is. We need to think about the kids who are here because mom and dad brought them here as infants and we need to realize, like it or not, many of the farm jobs American workers do not want. I argued this for years, now I realize it is a fact. For whatever reason our undereducated, out of work young people would rather get a welfare check than to pcik cotton or strawberries. The best option is a guest worker program and to figure out a way to help those kids get educated so they will not be another generation of welfare receivers.
Should we go out of our way to help them or see them take jobs from legal Americans? Of course not, but sad as it seems,there are Americans who really don't want to sweat....
Nita
Again, how does anyone know this when the illegal labor has never been eliminated? The few examples I've seen, the strawberries don't get picked because the farmers refused to raise what they pay. Yeah, nobody shows up to get paid minimum wage. Really? That's a shock.
I guarantee you if you put an ad in the paper saying that you'd pay $25 an hour for strawberry picking, you'd have thousands of people show up for the job. It's about the WAGES not the work. Yes of course that would drive up the costs of some things...but things even out. You'd shift more money (heaven forbid) to the lower end of the economy instead of up....I know, it's hard to think of reversing the trend of the last 40 years started by Reagan.
I understand that now that the Republican Convention is over Mitt has decided he has to be more moderate on immigration and now is telling Hispanic audiences and big business that he will reform the immigration system. Translation: Greatly reduced enforcement, huge increases in legal immigration so we can lower wages further, and lots of guest workers for the labor shortages his business friends claim is happening. Funny how that worked out.
Mitt was only tough on immigration so he could get conservatives support in the primaries due to all the very conservative voters in the Republican primaries.
Willard "etch a sketch" Romney will say anything to get elected. Newt Gingrich called him a liar.
The republicans love immigrants for the cheap labor.
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Originally Posted by dman72
Again, how does anyone know this when the illegal labor has never been eliminated? The few examples I've seen, the strawberries don't get picked because the farmers refused to raise what they pay. Yeah, nobody shows up to get paid minimum wage. Really? That's a shock.
I guarantee you if you put an ad in the paper saying that you'd pay $25 an hour for strawberry picking, you'd have thousands of people show up for the job. It's about the WAGES not the work. Yes of course that would drive up the costs of some things...but things even out. You'd shift more money (heaven forbid) to the lower end of the economy instead of up....I know, it's hard to think of reversing the trend of the last 40 years started by Reagan.
I know how you feel but we all have to realize, there is very little choice but to sit back, take a deep breath and see what will be the best way to handle the out of control illegal problems. We are going to need to make some concessions:h We can't send between 12 and 20 million illegals back to their country, regardless of what country it is. We need to think about the kids who are here because mom and dad brought them here as infants and we need to realize, like it or not, many of the farm jobs American workers do not want. I argued this for years, now I realize it is a fact. For whatever reason our undereducated, out of work young people would rather get a welfare check than to pcik cotton or strawberries. The best option is a guest worker program and to figure out a way to help those kids get educated so they will not be another generation of welfare receivers.
Should we go out of our way to help them or see them take jobs from legal Americans? Of course not, but sad as it seems,there are Americans who really don't want to sweat....
Nita
A person is either part of the problem or part of the solution. Thinking like you do IS the problem. Yes we can and should rid our country of anyone here that is illegal. WE DID NOT bring them here and WE SHOULD NOT have to compromise our laws in order to make THEM happy. Romney was ahead in the polls because a lot of us had the hope that he would be the person that finally did what should have been done years ago.
I am not sure this country will survive if these people are allowed to stay. They are lawless parasites.
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