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Old 08-02-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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Andrew Sullivan makes a case for Obama as the conservative in this election:


The Conservative Case For Obama - Again - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast

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On issue after issue, Burke would be with Obama and against Rommey's theo-political radicalism...The GOP is stuck in the 1984 of its own fetid imagination, incapable of acknowledging the real failures of the last Republican administration or the new, actual, vital questions we have to answer in this millennium...We should be grateful a de facto moderate Republican is president while conservatism has a chance to regroup
Supposing Willard fails again this time (as now seems inevitable), this raises the question whether 2012 will mark the American Thermidor: the moment when the extremist radicals finally stumble and fall, when our modern Jacobins are sent to the guillotine in their turn, and when genuine conservatives in the true Burke-Taft-Kirk American tradition are able to re-take control and re-assert normalcy.

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Old 08-02-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Yes, in comparison ... when you look closely ... Mr. Obama is the more "conservative" of the two. Mr. Romeny has not been the candidate most favored by traditional conservatives throughout the primary campaign. There was strong evidence conservatives within the party supported other candidates. It's important, also, to remember that extremists have hijacked the label "conservative" to give cover to their troubling views and behaviors.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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There's a hair's breadth of difference between Obama & Romney on domestic policy, and that difference is Obama is willing to do more for the poor & middle class than Romney would.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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Sullivan is a gay former conservative who is a frequent white house guest. He also wrote a article that headlined Newsweek after Hussein came out for gay marriage calling Obama the 1st gay president.
Oh,and I'm sure if Robert Taft were alive he would not vote for Hussein. Of course in Sullivan's perverted,drug addled mind anything is possible.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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Sullivan cares about one thing: gay marriage. So he'll call Oblama "conservative" if he thinks it will help him win. Liberals are so disingenuous.
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Andrew Sullivan makes a case for Obama as the conservative in this election:

The Conservative Case For Obama - Again - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast

Supposing Willard fails again this time (as now seems inevitable), this raises the question whether 2012 will mark the American Thermidor: the moment when the extremist radicals finally stumble and fall, when our modern Jacobins are sent to the guillotine in their turn, and when genuine conservatives in the true Burke-Taft-Kirk American tradition are able to re-take control and re-assert normalcy.
Wingnut disagreement not withstanding, that's a pretty good point re: Obama's "conservatism" (aka, innate "caution", which also annoys a lot of liberals).

Although lotsa luck with "genuine conservatives" re-taking any sort of control, considering that 1) no one can even agree what "conservative" means anymore, 2) moderates and even the mainstream RNC have become totally ineffectual, and 3) no one has yet figured out how to lead the now-dominant neo-con "new media"... of cable, conservative pundits, AM radio talking heads, the blogosphere and all the paranoid right wing internet "fever swamps".... all of which have additional motive$ and agenda$ these days, besides just the political ones!
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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I said it before, I'll say it again:

Republican voters are like the girlfriend who just keeps going back to her man, even after she catches him making out with Massachusetts.
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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I said it before, I'll say it again:

Republican voters are like the girlfriend who just keeps going back to her man, even after she catches him making out with Massachusetts.
Yeah, and worse, she'll probably even buy the story that it's all just part of his "religion"!
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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I'm sure if Robert Taft were alive he would not vote for Hussein.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Taft would certainly have had few reservations about the greater part of administration policies, and probably would have been an enthusiastic supporter of some of the key policies. But one thing is sure: if he wouldn't have been an enthusiastic Obama supporter, he would never have backed Romney. The latest version of Romney, that is - as far as it is possible for anyone to know what that amounts to.

And then again, if Taft were alive today he wouldn't nearly certainly be driven out of the GOP as a shameless socialist.
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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Although lotsa luck with "genuine conservatives" re-taking any sort of control, considering that 1) no one can even agree what "conservative" means anymore, 2) moderates and even the mainstream RNC have become totally ineffectual, and 3) no one has yet figured out how to lead the now-dominant neo-con "new media"... of cable, conservative pundits, AM radio talking heads, the blogosphere and all the paranoid right wing internet "fever swamps".... all of which have additional motive$ and agenda$ these days, besides just the political ones!

Oh, certainly - at the moment, it's easier to imagine a Bonapartist Restoration than a reformed Republican Party. But as hard as it is, real conservatives ought not suppose it is impossible. All pendulums swing, and this one might swing quite rapidly if the autopsy of this year's defeat points to a demographic pathology. I agree it will require some Blairite rebranding - but if the Left has successfully sloughed off "Liberal" in favor of "Progressive", I see no reason why "Conservative" can't be left behind in favor of "Traditionalist". Or, how about just "Sentient".

Of course, what's needed is for the Burke-Taft-Kirk minority to begin to coalesce around an intellectual center which can lay the foundations, in the way that Buckley & Co. used Nat'l Review to pave the way for the Libertarian coup d'etat last century.
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