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Old 01-31-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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Mr. Gingrich's patron is essentially getting his own special caucus for religious (!) reasons.
Not sure I'd trust the results of this one.

"But with the caucuses scheduled for a Saturday morning, Adelson, an observant Jew, originally would not have been able to participate. So, largely at his urging, the state's Republicans will hold a special extra caucus, hours after the rest of the state has finished voting and reporting its totals."


In Nevada, Sheldon Adelson Gets His Very Own Caucus - Molly Ball - Politics - The Atlantic
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:22 AM
 
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Money talks.

Sheldon Adelson is a bigwig in Vegas and blows a lot of money on GOP. They would have given Adelson's wrinkly body a personal massage with a happy ending too, if he wanted.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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Money talks.
It sure seems that way.

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Sheldon Adelson is a bigwig in Vegas and blows a lot of money on GOP. They would have given Adelson's wrinkly body a personal massage with a happy ending too, if he wanted.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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With any luck this seriously hurts Newter in Nevada and everywhere else. The GOP race needs Gingrich like women need rapists.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Mr. Gingrich's patron is essentially getting his own special caucus for religious (!) reasons.
Not sure I'd trust the results of this one.

"But with the caucuses scheduled for a Saturday morning, Adelson, an observant Jew, originally would not have been able to participate. So, largely at his urging, the state's Republicans will hold a special extra caucus, hours after the rest of the state has finished voting and reporting its totals."


In Nevada, Sheldon Adelson Gets His Very Own Caucus - Molly Ball - Politics - The Atlantic
For Orthodox Jews, of which there are many in Las Vegas from what I understand, making an exception for them is considered normal for people who regularly interact with the community. It's their sabbath, Saturday a.m. I think, however, that the process would be more transparent and seem less questionable if those forbidden from taking part because of religious constraints were permitted to vote in absentee-style, instead of after the voting had taken place.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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Newt's apparently giving up in Nevada anyway (Michigan, too). Probably not a bad idea. Focus on the states where he knows he can attack Romney and score some points, and with any luck, he can split up the delegates or at least have Mittens limping into the GOP convention and possibly convince delegates to swap votes.

Mitt Romney's campaign hinges on his ability to defeat Obama and that's about it. The question is, can he steal the moderate vote and keep the blowhard, kooky conservative vote? That's a tall order.

Newt's problem is, he's just an a-hole and I get the feeling that some people in his party despise him so much personally that they'd have a hard time supporting him. He's a classic bridge burner.

That's why I think the GOP will reluctantly support Romney, but that doesn't guarantee that Romney will motivate conservatives to go to the polls. That was one problem that McCain had, which was overcome to some degree with Palin's selection -- unfortunately, she drove away swing voters.

There's talk about Romney selecting NJ Governor Christie, but I don't think that would be a good idea. I think it would bolster his base of swing voters, but I don't think it would necessarily strengthen Romney's support among dyed wool conservatives.

I think Mike Huckabee, on the other hand, would be a game-changer. Huck's a southern governor and widely admired for his conservative religious viewpoints, which could balance out the perception of Romney's softness. He would bring out the conservatives for sure, and as long as he didn't blow by going over the top in debates, he wouldn't alienate moderates too much, either.

Also, I'm going to engage in more wild speculation here on the democratic side and say that there's a 50/50 chance Joe Biden won't be back to run on the ticket. Hillary Clinton has already said that she won't run, but I'm wondering if someone like Leon Panetta just might. I think Biden's usefulness has run its course and with his increasing lack of control in front of the cameras, I'm wondering if Obama and his advisers aren't growing a bit tired of having to put a tape delay on everything he says. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were to run. Another possibility is that Obama goes out and gets some CEO type like Robert Rubin. He would defuse some of the concerns that he's a 'socialist' and that he's anti-Israel. But I think it's a serious possibility that Obama doesn't bring back Biden. I think he needs to give voters the impression that this term will be similar in some ways but vastly different in others, and I don't think Biden does him any favors.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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For Orthodox Jews, of which there are many in Las Vegas from what I understand, making an exception for them is considered normal for people who regularly interact with the community. It's their sabbath, Saturday a.m. I think, however, that the process would be more transparent and seem less questionable if those forbidden from taking part because of religious constraints were permitted to vote in absentee-style, instead of after the voting had taken place.
My understanding is that they are already allowed to submit absentee ballots for just that reason.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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Newt's apparently giving up in Nevada anyway (Michigan, too). Probably not a bad idea. Focus on the states where he knows he can attack Romney and score some points, and with any luck, he can split up the delegates or at least have Mittens limping into the GOP convention and possibly convince delegates to swap votes.
I don't know how he can get that far.

Ceding Nevada and Michigan's combined 58 delegates to your opponent is hardly wise IMO.

It looks like he's going to lose Florida. That's 50 delegates.

Because he and his campaigned blundered, he is not on the ballot in Virginia, ceding 49 delegates to Paul and Romney (the only ones on the ballot.) Virginia doesn't allow write-ins for the GOP primary.

Romney is probably a lock to win Wyoming, Utah and Idaho (the states that are a high % LDS.) That's 101 delegates. I think their vote could be split if it were anyone but Gingrich the serial adulterer vying for frontrunner status. They are less likely to give Newt the benefit of the doubt on his claim that he is a changed man, etc. And sexual sin of any sort is viewed as a lot more repugnant among Mormon circles than it is in any other Christian religion.

Gingrich stands to do well in the South but there really are no guarantees there. Santorum or Paul would stand a far better chance of strongly uniting the Evangelical vote behind them because they have a long life history of living their lives based on their religious values. Gingrich's religious credibility is weak at best and nonexistent at worst.

So how does he make up for this deficit of 258 delegates?
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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I don't know how he can get that far.

Ceding Nevada and Michigan's combined 58 delegates to your opponent is hardly wise IMO.

It looks like he's going to lose Florida. That's 50 delegates.

Because he and his campaigned blundered, he is not on the ballot in Virginia, ceding 49 delegates to Paul and Romney (the only ones on the ballot.) Virginia doesn't allow write-ins for the GOP primary.

Romney is probably a lock to win Wyoming, Utah and Idaho (the states that are a high % LDS.) That's 101 delegates. I think their vote could be split if it were anyone but Gingrich the serial adulterer vying for frontrunner status. They are less likely to give Newt the benefit of the doubt on his claim that he is a changed man, etc. And sexual sin of any sort is viewed as a lot more repugnant among Mormon circles than it is in any other Christian religion.

Gingrich stands to do well in the South but there really are no guarantees there. Santorum or Paul would stand a far better chance of strongly uniting the Evangelical vote behind them because they have a long life history of living their lives based on their religious values. Gingrich's religious credibility is weak at best and nonexistent at worst.

So how does he make up for this deficit of 258 delegates?
Agreed. I think that team Gingrich made some serious tactical errors if they really are serious about staying in 'til the end.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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That's the thing about these caucuses... they're so ripe for corruption.
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