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Old 10-16-2008, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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A better system uses fractional reserve banking and a commodity like what we had during the 50s and 60s before Bretton Woods.
Bretton Woods was 1944. I assume you are referring to Bretton Woods II, 1971, when Nixon "closed the gold window".

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No monetary system is without hazards.
A fully gold-backed monetary system is without hazards.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:36 AM
 
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Just for grins, try to imagine an economy without Fractional Reserve Banking where only the Treasury could create money. If a bank had 100 depositors with $1000 each ($100,000 total) the bank could lend only $90,000 so it has some money on hand for normal withdrawals. There would be no revolving credit but there would be debit cards limited to the amount in the account.

The government could only borrow for major capitol projects (not for wars) and only for a limited time with other expenses coverd by taxes.

How would this work?
Hi GregW,

All government financing could be done with direct treasury notes. Do you really think that would not be enough at this point? It would be as easy as pie to run that system. Credit markets would simply be time deposits. You also would not have all these useless inflation hedge markets that distort value and utility like oil.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Bretton Woods was 1944. I assume you are referring to Bretton Woods II, 1971, when Nixon "closed the gold window".



A fully gold-backed monetary system is without hazards.
Yes, sorry. That is what I meant.

The argument I hear against a totally gold backed system is that we're limited in the amount of gold we can physically acquire. I would love for someone to really explain to me how a gold backed system would work IF the rest of the world is still using the dollar as the reserve currency AND in the face of the current global system. I haven't gotten a good explanation of that yet. I am not opposed to reading if you have a source.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes, sorry. That is what I meant.

The argument I hear against a totally gold backed system is that we're limited in the amount of gold we can physically acquire. I would love for someone to really explain to me how a gold backed system would work IF the rest of the world is still using the dollar as the reserve currency AND in the face of the current global system. I haven't gotten a good explanation of that yet. I am not opposed to reading if you have a source.
I agree. Gold was also easily manipulated. I could see fake video of Gold bullion now. They did the same sprinkling gold coins on boxes of nails. Lincoln green backs is the only way. I say nationalize the banks as well.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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I agree. Gold was also easily manipulated. I could see fake video of Gold bullion now. They did the same sprinkling gold coins on boxes of nails. Lincoln green backs is the only way. I say nationalize the banks as well.
At least nationalize the Federal Reserve.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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Bretton Woods was 1944. I assume you are referring to Bretton Woods II, 1971, when Nixon "closed the gold window".



A fully gold-backed monetary system is without hazards.
Hi Nor'Eastah,

See "Long Depression" after silver was demonetized shortly after the civil war to a gold standard. Its as safe as a hemophiliac dancing barefoot on broken glass.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:50 AM
 
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At least nationalize the Federal Reserve.
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That would still leave the banks to create and draw interest on 90%+ of the money supply.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Hi paperhouse,

That would still leave the banks to create and draw interest on 90%+ of the money supply.
So you would nationalize all the banks?
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:55 AM
 
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So you would nationalize all the banks?
Hi paperhouse

I think I would. Banks have essentially privatized our government. I was raised a red blooded free market American but monopoly capitalism is worse.
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:17 PM
 
Location: In My Own Little World. . .
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I have a pretty good head for figures, but this thread has my head aching. No wonder I barely passed Economics in college. I REALLY don't understand all this money stuff. It just seems to me that common sense dictates that we should have solid resources to back up our money. Gold, silver, lumber, food, and other products.

And I could never understand how "shopping" helps our economy, since very little is made in the US. Isn't shopping helping China's economy?
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