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Old 07-03-2010, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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A somewhat long but worthwhile read.........

"The time is ripe for us to rethink some of our deepest beliefs about the way this country should work, and how we should live our lives."

Has the American Dream Become Our Nightmare? | Economy | AlterNet
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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So she spent all that time writing to conclude that we need to support parks? Yeesh.
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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Is there a cliff notes version of that?
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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When we're using words like "nightmare" to describe the conditions we're living in in this country, we really are a spoiled society. People sitting safely in their air-conditioned house, in front of their computer, with car parked in the driveway, belly full, typing an article about the nightmare we're in.
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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When we're using words like "nightmare" to describe the conditions we're living in in this country, we really are a spoiled society. People sitting safely in their air-conditioned house, in front of their computer, with car parked in the driveway, belly full, typing an article about the nightmare we're in.
Definitely agree with you. We have it so much better than other countries it's not even funny...
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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Definitely agree with you. We have it so much better than other countries it's not even funny...
Is "not starving" EVER an argument to accept the social and economic erosion we're witnessing? "There were rising standards of living in slave society; slaves were much better off in the early 19th century than in the early 18th century...is that an argument for slavery?" (c. Chomsky) Of course it isn't.

The "you could be a starving ethiopian" counter-argument to the complaining about the eroding lifestyle in America has always been a terrible and weak argument. By that logic kids should go back to sweatashops because at least they have a job and aren't fishing with sticks and loincloth in our rivers.....

Let's discuss the problem, not be apologists for our own dispossession.
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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But stll the word Nightmare hardly applies. Nor does using a slave of the 18th cneury to the 19th centuriy. Its likie ceasar alaemting his hard life while eating grapes and drinking wine.
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Is "not starving" EVER an argument to accept the social and economic erosion we're witnessing?
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Let's discuss the problem, not be apologists for our own dispossession.
Yes, "not starving" is a perfectly valid counter to anyone claiming we are in a nightmare. Discussing a problem is fine but the problem was framed as Americans are living in a nightmare, and I believe that's silly and easily refutable.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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A somewhat long but worthwhile read.........

"The time is ripe for us to rethink some of our deepest beliefs about the way this country should work, and how we should live our lives."

Has the American Dream Become Our Nightmare? | Economy | AlterNet
The materialistic version of the American dream, which involved making it easy for people, and encouraging them, to take on unaffordable amounts of debt for things that were not truly necessary, and that they couldn't afford, has created a nightmare. Because having debt you can't repay is a nightmare.

The earlier version -- which encouraged people to work hard and become successful so as to legitimately buy a good place they could afford, and nothing more, was a lot better.
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