Nasal cancer (aggressive, yeast, natural, maltese)
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Pet crazy It is hard to say what this could be . Since he is not sneezing or reverse sneezing, snorting in his sleep and you do not know for certain if the blood is coming from his nose I would doubt that this is cancer and can't really say what it could be.
Dash is doing a little better today. He still has alot of infected looking drainage and only two days left of his antibiotics so looks like he may have to be on them longer. He has small bleeds off and on and yesterday when he got real stuffed up I managed to get some Normal saline mixed with Willards water down his nose and he sneezed out a huge wad of snot and blood clots and sounded ALOT better. Since the weekend we had the bleed out of both sides of his nose there has not been one more drop of anything out of the right side so that could have been a burst blood vessel from a forceful sneeze and the fact the piroxicam makes him bleed easy.
I think he stared improving the most after we saw our regular vet on Friday as he gave me a tranquilizer to try , I gave him 1/4 a pill and for a few hours he wandered around then he was out. Gave him some the next day and once again he was out so I was able to get the saline mixture down his nose because he was still a little groggy. The poor dog had not had any real sleep except for short burst for 2 weeks so I am sure getting sleep has helped him alot.
He did go walking with Jazz and I and did great and is back to eating like the chow hound he is. He has somehow figured out the pill pockets which he use to love so now I have to shove pills down his throat so he sees me coming and leaves!" What is she going to do to me now?"
I still plan to see DR Scanlan on Friday and plan to talk to Dr. Ayls office today to see if we can stay on the antibiotics longer since stuff is still draining out. I keep wondering if perhaps he has gotten something like MRSA from sniffing my work clothes as I am around people with super bugs ( resistant to antibiotics) every time I work as that is what is happening in hospitals every where. And it takes forever to get such infections cleared up!
I am battling myself as there is the side of me that says just get him on the neoplasene in case the cancer is active along with there being an infection. Then there is the very scenitific part of my brain that loves to form Hypothesis and then prove them says " Hummm it would be nice to know for sure if the cancer is active again so I know how well the IMRT did do and I know what I am up against"
The only way to know for sure would be to scope his nose again ,not that it would be a bad thing even if it was just infection as they could take samples and get a culture of what infection it is thus the right drug to treat it and if their scope is anything like the scopes we do bronchoscopies on people with they could clean the infection out pretty good and maybe get some of the dead tissue out too. Decisions decisions.
If Cyrus were able to be put under I would absolutely do another scope, and I would probably continue the scopes on a regular basis. He was SO much better after the scope.
I would also do the neoplasene (well, I am a convert) if I were you cause it's non-invasive, inexpensive, and is has been shown to keep tumors at bay.
Just my two cents worth. I'll be keeping good thoughts for Dash...
This is long, I'm sorry. Our 3-year-old cocker spaniel, Nick, was diagnosed with nasal carcinoma the beginning of August. He had no symptoms until one day he sneezed up a bloody mucus string from his right nostril. I immediately took him to his regular vet, who sent him to a specialist, who performed a rhinoscopy. They thought it was a fungal infection, but the biopsy said cancer. We were, and are, heartsick. After meeting with an oncologist and doing a lot of research, we chose not to pursue chemo or radiation and instead went with Neoplasene.
From the scope and x-rays, Nick's tumor was thought to be in its early stages and was only in the right nostril. However, the day he saw the oncologist, he could still breathe through his right nostril. By the time he saw the holistic vet who is giving him Neoplasene one week later, that nostril closed up. Nick started on Neo a few days later. He has been on it almost five weeks now. He gets oral Neo twice a day, and also gets Neo X solution infused in his nose. The vet does this once a week while Nick is sedated, so he doesn't sneeze it out. We also started giving it to him at home daily too. Sometimes he sneezes it out, sometimes he doesn't.
Anyway, Nick is doing great...kind of. Two weeks ago, he sneezed up a small piece of his tumor. And he just had a follow-up X-ray last Friday that seemed to show that the tumor has not spread to the left nostril and was not destroying bone in his right nostril. We could see a smallish, circular cloudy area mid-way into his snout where we know his original tumor was. He also has been showing signs of airflow slowly returning to his right side. When he breathes normally, nothing comes out, but if he does a big sigh or breath, sometimes a little air will come out. It's slow going, but it looks like the tumor MAY actually be shrinking.
Now for what has me worried. About 2 weeks into Nick's Neoplasene treatments, he started sounded congested. This coincided with a big drop in temperature here in the Midwest, and everyone is the house got all stuffed up, so we thought it may be the weather. Some days Nick would sound better, some days worse, but it never really cleared up. I, of course, feared that the cancer was moving to the other nostril. But the x-ray thankfully seems to say that's not happening. But the congestion seems to be getting worse. He sounds "wet" when he breathes, but nothing ever comes out. His nose never bleeds on either side, and he only gets a tiny bit of mucus discharge from his right side after we give him a Neo treatment in his nose. No mucus ever comes out the left (good) side. Yet he sounds so stuffed up, and sometimes it obviously bothers him and he has to change position just to breathe. I feel so bad for him.
I know breathing is a huge issue for this cancer, and, after reading the experiences of others whose dogs have passed away from this horrible diagnosis, I've been terrified of having to watch my sweet boy slowly lose the ability to breathe through his nose. However, Neoplasene gave me hope, and we've gotten good news while using it. But still Nick is struggling with some sort of congestion that interfering with his good nostril. Our holistic vet has never used Neo before us, so he doesn't know much about it. He was pleased with the x-ray, but hasn't had any suggestions on what is causing or what to do about the congestion in Nick's good nostril.
I bought him a Vick's humidifier. I can't say I've noticed much difference. He's on Benadryl for allergies. Tonight, I gave him some nasal decongestant for the first time to see if it helps, but, so far, nothing noticeable.
I know Neoplasene can cause inflammation and swelling, so I wonder if that's contributing to the problem in any way. I also wonder about lysing as the Neo attempts to kill the tumor. Nick has been getting a ton of "eye boogers" and is also urinating more, which can be a sign of the body trying to cleanse. The congestion has seemed to get worse as I've ramped up his oral Neo dose, so maybe his nose is just overloaded with dead cancer cells and he's getting congested. I don't know.
So, Neo has mostly been a good thing for us, but I wish I could make Nick more comfortable. I wish our vet had more experience with Neo, but he doesn't, so I'm hoping someone here might have some ideas. Thanks so much.
I do not see Dr. Scanlan until tomorrow about the neoplasene so don't think I can be much help. I do not know if they are prone to infections as the tumor dies as they are with cell die off from radiation? I also thought I read that neoplasene causes an inflammatory responce with the cancer cells and I would think that would cause some swelling which is a good thing in this case as the cells are undergoing apoptosis. I will ask DR. Scanalan tomorrow.
What decongestant did you give him as Dash just had that huge infection and was so congested and my vets said do not use any human decongestants. He put him on Proin and I don't think it helped much so stopped using it .I think the tiger balm I rubbed in the inside of his ear flaps ( where there is no chance of it getting licked off)worked better.
Dash is back to his normal self went went to the self wash dog wash and got a bath yesterday and went to the park to play with his friends so he is once again looking great but still sounds congested and has a little blood oozing out ( no sneezing though). I am hopeful about the neoplasene but but now I am facing a soft tissue sarcoma with my other dog Jazz. When it rains it pours so while we are seeing DR. Scanlan she will be in surgery ay my regular vets.
I am so sad to see that your dog, Nick is so young. That really is not right.
Thanks for your reply Dashdog. I've read all about dear Dash over the last couple of months. I really hope that his latest difficulties clear up completely, and the cancer has not returned. I would definitely recommend putting him on Neo in any case. Nick has had an easy time with the oral Neo (though every dog is different), and it does seem to really kill tumors.
I'd be hugely excited about Nick's prospects if this nagging congestion problem would go away. He's got a ton of energy, and acts completely normally...until he snuffles at you! Even though the vet said the cancer doesn't seem to be spreading, I still worry. I can't help it. You can get all the good news in the world, and if your dog still can't breathe well, what good is it?
The decongestant I gave was half a Sudafed (1/4 human dose). My old vet told me I could use it a few years ago when one of my other dogs was having allergies. I never did at the time. I've Googled it now, and it seems that most vets don't recommend it any longer. Nick seemed to handle the low dose fine, and his breathing did finally improve a bit. But I don't think I feel comfortable giving it to him again.
Good luck with your appt. with Dr. Scanlan tomorrow. I hope she can give you good info on Neoplasene. She's the only one I've heard of (from Internet searches) who seems to have treated several nasal cancer cases with Neo, so please report back what she says. I'd love to have more info from a vet with a little experience.
It was shocking for a dog so young to get cancer. It's been so hard. We got Nick after our last cocker died of thrombocytopenia at age 11. He was supposed to be our fresh start. Sigh.
Dash had a good day. We dropped Jazz off for her surgery at my vets, drove the 30 minutes to Ventura to pick up his records so he went in VMSG with me and no one did a thing to him which he thought was great! Another 60-70 minutes of driving to Sherman Oaks . We got there early so walked down Ventura Blvd to a nautral foods pet store . I can tell Dash is back to his normal baseline as he decided to shop lift a treat and was pleased he got away with his big crime. He does not know I paid for it as he would not look good in the jail stripes
I think Dr. Scanlan met her match in Dash as I told her he was going to be difficult. She said she had her tricks and could do it alone and would teach me how. Well Dash has his tricks too so in the end his were better and it took two of us for her to get the drops in his nose but she did. Boy look what I have to look forward too on Sunday. I will be giving them every other day to start with.Anyone got a football team I can hire to sit on him?
I really do like Dr. Scanlan she is so nice and really does care about her patients and the owners. We had a nice talk about cancer in pets in general and how oncologist need to start paying more attention to the alternative treatments out there that are showing results.A blend of alternative and conventional medicine would probably yield better results then the conventional alone.
Dash can continue with his metronomic treatment too and she gave me an herbal pill to help protect his kidneys from the cytoxan. He also will be getting mushrooms and Hoxsey. If that cancer is indeed active again it had better watch out as we plan to kick some major cancer butt. If it is not active she still feels he will benefit from the neoplasene and it will help clear out his nose so Dash has nothing to loose by being on it but may have alot to gain.
He is feeling good again and has been a pistol the last two days which is so nice to see after what he had gone through these past two weeks.
I gave a message to Dr. Scanlan form Bill and his dog Emmit from Mississippi as she talked to his vet and got him to use the neoplasene for Emmit.She was so surprized and said " it is a small world" I said yea thanks to the interenet!
My other dog Jazz did well with her surgery and now we await the pathology reports for a grade on her sarcoma. My vet feels he got it all so we shall see if the margins are indeed clear. Looks like I may get some sleep tonight which is good as I got none last night!
I'm so glad that both Dash and Jazz had good days! Nick had another Neoplasene nose infusion today (his 9th sedated one). The vet decided to do a second x-ray since we were so concerned with his congestion (and Nick had moved a little bit during last week's x-ray). Again, the x-ray showed that the tumor is not in the left nostril. His septum is completely straight and intact, and the tumor on the right side looks to be rather small. The vet also put a mirror up to Nick's right nostril (tumor side) when he took him back for the x-ray, and, for the first time since it closed off 5 weeks ago, got a "hit" in the form of condensation. I unfortunately wasn't in the room at the time and I have yet to repeat this test myself, but there have been other indications that he is regaining his airflow through the right side, so I'm very hopeful.
So, another day of great news! I just have to accept that Nick is having congestion that is sometimes partially blocking his good nostril, but it doesn't appear to be life-threatening or a sign the cancer is spreading, so I have to quit freaking out!
Neoplasene appears to be the real deal. I hope more oncologists can learn about it, because I think it could make a real difference in the survival rates of nasal cancer, both on its own and with conventional treatments. For instance, our oncologist told us that surgical removal used to be the first option in treating nasal tumors until they figured out that it actually shortened survival rates (probably due to tumors growing back faster after being cut). However, there has been some success with radiation THEN surgery after the tumor is very small. She had a current case with a dog that was alive four years after this combo treatment, however the tumor had just reappeared. What would happen if the tumor was surgically removed then treated with Neoplasene, which could likely prevent it from growing back? Or, if used in combo with surgery and radiation? I bet Neo could keep the cancer in check for a large percentage of cases. For early diagnoses I think Neo could handle the tumor all by itself, as it appears to be doing for Nick and Cyrus.
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