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Old 02-09-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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They needed a study for this?
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I've lived most of my life in the American south, and rarely eat fried foods, organ meats, "gizzards" - or tea sweetened with sugar.

Must be someone else's "southern" diet.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I've lived most of my life in the American south, and rarely eat fried foods, organ meats, "gizzards" - or tea sweetened with sugar.

Must be someone else's "southern" diet.
Here is what Wikipedia lists as a traditional Southern Diet:

Cuisine of the Southern United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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A traditional Southern meal is pan-fried chicken, field peas (such as black-eyed peas), greens (such as collard greens, mustard greens, turnip greens, or poke salad), mashed potatoes, cornbread or corn pone, sweet tea, and a dessert that is usually a pie (sweet potato, chess, shoofly, pecan, and peach are traditional southern pies), or a cobbler (peach, blackberry, or mixed berry are traditional cobblers).[citation needed] At least a dozen soups also have their origins in the American South.[citation needed]
Some other foods and beverages commonly associated with the South are grits, country ham, hushpuppies, Southern styles of succotash, mint juleps, chicken fried steak, buttermilk biscuits (may be served with butter, jelly, preserves, honey, gravy or sorghum molasses), pimento cheese, boiled or baked sweet potatoes, pit barbecue (especially ribs), fried catfish, fried green tomatoes, bread pudding, okra (fried, steamed, stewed, sauteed, or pickled), butter beans, pinto beans, and black eyed peas.
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A study led by Suzanna Judd, a nutritional epidemiologist at the University of Alabama, found that people who ate Southern food six times per week had about a 41 percent higher risk of stroke, compared with people who just ate Southern food once per month.[5]
http://www.scienceworldreport.com/ar...-surprised.htm

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The study, conducted by a team of researchers led by Suzanna Judd, a nutritional epidemiologist at the University of Alabama, is the first large-scale effort to look at how a diet of fried chicken, bacon, ham and sweet teas can raise the possibility of stroke. Judd and colleagues medically assessed 20,000 patients aged 45 and older. The patients then took surveys and answered questions about their eating habits and health in 2003 and 2007. Although people who ate traditional Southern diets lived across the U.S., about two-thirds of those involved in the study were located in the southeastern portion of the U.S.

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Old 02-11-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Not every Southerner eats fried foods everyday, nor do we all cook like Paula Deen. And "organ meats" are just nasty IMO, most younger people won't eat that.

As for sweet tea, on a sweetness scale of 0-10 (zero being totally unsweet), I make mine about a 3.
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I've lived most of my life in the American south, and rarely eat fried foods, organ meats, "gizzards" - or tea sweetened with sugar.

Must be someone else's "southern" diet.
No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Yeah that's all well and good, but the article isn't talking about you. It isn't talking about "true" southerners, or "all" southerners. It isn't even really talking about southerners, exclusively. It's talking about the variety of foods known to fall into the category of "southern foods," and the risk of eating lots of it.

IF YOU ARE - someone who eats lots of these foods, then you will be at risk of stroke.

IF YOU ARE NOT - someone who eats lots of these foods, then the article doesn't apply to you.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Yeah that's all well and good, but the article isn't talking about you. It isn't talking about "true" southerners, or "all" southerners. It isn't even really talking about southerners, exclusively. It's talking about the variety of foods known to fall into the category of "southern foods," and the risk of eating lots of it.

IF YOU ARE - someone who eats lots of these foods, then you will be at risk of stroke.

IF YOU ARE NOT - someone who eats lots of these foods, then the article doesn't apply to you.
You're right, it isn't. That's why it's a load.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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Both of the quotes are presenting exceptions/challenges to the absolute rule, so they aren't examples of the "no true scotsman" fallacy. Those who respond to a challenge by modifying the subject would actually be committing the fallacy.

Here's the form, to clarify:

1. Absolute rule: All southerners eat P.
2. Challenge: Q is a southerner but does not eat P.
3. Fallacy (informal): All true southerners eat P.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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^Thank you, I was going to call her on that.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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That's strange because I considered Colorado to be among the leanest. Do you think findings like the ones below are misrepresentative?
Just posting my personal observations.
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