What is Fruitdale? (Dallas, Richardson, Paris: neighborhood, school, live in)

[skyline122]

I'm so confused, apparently Fruitdale is a part of OC but it's a suburb. Also, is highland hills a neighborhood of Fruitdale or a neighborhood of OC. The question arose because I was at a party in Wheatley Place and there was an argument about if you lived in HH, do you live in the burbs.

[Dallaz]

It was a town that was annexed into Dallas decades ago...

BTW if you live anywhere in Dallas with an address that says Dallas, you do not live in the suburbs. Surburbs are completely separate cities surrounding a major city.

[Treasurevalley92]

Fruitdale apparently used to be independent according to Wikipedia, but no longer is, not unlike OC itself which used to be sister cities with Dallas before it was Annexed.

Based on google maps, I wouldn't consider Fruidale part of OC, based on how far East it is of 35 it is, but I know some people use OC very broadly.

[Ablebodied]

Originally Posted by skyline122

I'm so confused, apparently Fruitdale is a part of OC but it's a suburb. Also, is highland hills a neighborhood of Fruitdale or a neighborhood of OC. The question arose because I was at a party in Wheatley Place and there was an argument about if you lived in HH, do you live in the burbs.

Fruitdale is now part of Sout Oak Cliff. Oak Cliff is divided by North , South, East and West. Part of Highland Hills(south of Simson Stuart Road) was in the old Wilmer-Hutchins district, but now Wilmer- Hutchins is a Dallas School, which makes sense, since most of it's students live in Dallas.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

It was a town that was annexed into Dallas decades ago...

BTW if you live anywhere in Dallas with an address that says Dallas, you do not live in the suburbs. Surburbs are completely separate cities surrounding a major city.

Yeah, sorta, I mean the term usually means a separate political entity, in the US, but not always, it mostly refers to a largely residential area. In France they would call parts of Paris proper a suburb based on use.

Alot of Dallas proper could be referred to as suburban and have no practical difference between them and the other side of the municipal line.

The differences between urban and suburban are complicated and some people just like to use arbitrary political lines to determine what is what.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Yeah, sorta, I mean the term usually means a separate political entity, in the US, but not always, it mostly refers to a largely residential area. In France they would call parts of Paris proper a suburb based on use.

Alot of Dallas proper could be referred to as suburban and have no practical difference between them and the other side of the municipal line.

The differences between urban and suburban are complicated and some people just like to use arbitrary political lines to determine what is what.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb

I’m talking about what we consider suburban in America. Nobody would consider Dallas, (regardless of development) to be a suburb.

[skyline122]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

I’m talking about what we consider suburban in America. Nobody would consider Dallas, (regardless of development) to be a suburb.

I'm not considering Dallas a suburb, but many would consider far North Dallas to be suburban.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by skyline122

I'm not considering Dallas a suburb, but many would consider far North Dallas to be suburban.

Suburban in development doesn’t make it a suburb. Honestly, the vast majority of Dallas is suburban in nature due to Dallas being VERY car-centric. Even with that said, most people wouldn’t conisder Dallas to be a suburb.

BTW Far North Dallas is much more densely populated than anywhere in Southern Dallas. It even has numerous highrises that much of Southern Dallas lacks.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

Suburban in development doesn’t make it a suburb. Honestly, the vast majority of Dallas is suburban in nature due to Dallas being VERY car-centric. Even with that said, most people wouldn’t conisder Dallas to be a suburb.

BTW Far North Dallas is much more densely populated than anywhere in Southern Dallas. It even has numerous highrises that much of Southern Dallas lacks.

That is true if you go based on municipality alone as your definition of center city and suburbs.

I'm not suggesting that people consider Dallas as a whole to be a "Suburb" but there are certainly parts of Dallas which are pretty suburban.

This is complicated by places such as Cockrell Hill. Would you consider Cockrell Hill to be a Suburb of Dallas? It is completely surrounded by the city of Dallas. It's more Urban (on a grid) and closer to the CBD than lots of other parts of Dallas. What about the Park Cities? Are they suburbs?

I think Dallas is a place where the difference between Urban and Suburban is meshed more than most places, which perhaps lends itself to a more strict adherence to municipal borders than other places.

I know a guy who lives a few blocks away from the Richardson border who got all mad when "People from the suburbs claim to be from Dallas" Even though his lifestyle was the same as someone in Richardson.