[JayCT]

Originally Posted by okbymeman

Those western and southern cities operate county governments that include those suburban areas. Those suburbs aren't individual fiefdoms like they are in CT. It's not the same thing at all.

No, counties are in addition to the cities. Miami is in Dade County. Tampa is in Hillsborough County and Nashville is in Davidson County. All separate. And they all also have separate towns adjacent to them that are suburbs.

Including them is the only way to make a fair comparison. The City of New Haven is just 20 square miles. Miami is 55 square miles; Tampa is 175.8 square miles; and Nashville is 497 square miles. That makes a big difference. Jay

[okbymeman]

Originally Posted by JayCT

No, counties are in addition to the cities. Miami is in Dade County. Tampa is in Hillsborough County and Nashville is in Davidson County. All separate. And they all also have separate towns adjacent to them that are suburbs.

Including them is the only way to make a fair comparison. The City of New Haven is just 20 square miles. Miami is 55 square miles; Tampa is 175.8 square miles; and Nashville is 497 square miles. That makes a big difference. Jay

I don't think you understand what is being discussed. Miami-Dade has a county tier of government that exerts influence over all of its incorporated and unincorporated municipalities:

Unlike a consolidated city-county, where the city and county governments merge into a single entity, these two entities remain separate. Instead there are two "tiers", or levels, of government: city and county. There are 34 municipalities in the county, the City of Miami being the largest.

Cities are the "lower tier" of local government, providing police and fire protection, zoning and code enforcement, and other typical city services within their jurisdiction. These services are paid for by city taxes. The County is the "upper tier", and it provides services of a metropolitan nature, such as emergency management, airport and seaport operations, public housing and health care services, transportation, environmental services, solid waste disposal etc. These are funded by county taxes, which are assessed on all incorporated and unincorporated areas.

This is not comparable to a Connecticut "metro area".

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by okbymeman

I don't think you understand what is being discussed. Miami-Dade has a county tier of government that exerts influence over all of its incorporated and unincorporated municipalities:



This is not comparable to a Connecticut "metro area".

You are the one not understanding. We are trying to compare New Haven to other cities. You are contending that you should compare city to city. I am contending you need to compare metro area to metro area to make a proper comparison because cities in other parts of the country include suburban areas. You brought up counties but they don’t make any difference. Jay

[okbymeman]

Originally Posted by JayCT

You brought up counties but they don’t make any difference. Jay

They make an enormous difference. They directly impact the financial health of a city, which is why New Haven is so poor and has no prosperous tax base to improve itself. Again, not at all comparable.

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by okbymeman

Metro areas in CT don't really matter because each town is its own municipality. So when a poor city like New Haven employs a bunch of relatively high earners most of them will be residing in a nearby town that has no fiduciary responsibility or duty to the city of New Haven, and the city remains poor.

So you don’t think they’re living in any of the thousands of luxury units built or being built in the city?

New Haven has poor areas but also wealthier areas like any city.

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by okbymeman

They make an enormous difference. They directly impact the financial health of a city, which is why New Haven is so poor and has no prosperous tax base to improve itself. Again, not at all comparable.

No tax base? Yet the city has an $8.9 billion grand list. And it’s continually improving as a city.

https://www.newhavenindependent.org/article/reval_final

[okbymeman]

Originally Posted by Stylo

So you don’t think they’re living in any of the thousands of luxury units built or being built in the city?

New Haven has poor areas but also wealthier areas like any city.

It’s great that New Haven has improved but we both know that those people living in luxury units will be buying in towns that aren’t New Haven once they settle down. It’s not like Boston where professionals actually want to purchase real estate within the city limits. You can argue that the towns immediately surrounding New Haven will benefit but not really the city itself.

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by okbymeman

It’s great that New Haven has improved but we both know that those people living in luxury units will be buying in towns that aren’t New Haven once they settle down. It’s not like Boston where professionals actually want to purchase real estate within the city limits. You can argue that the towns immediately surrounding New Haven will benefit but not really the city itself.

Sure, they might move. So what? Someone will be there to move in right after them, considering it’s one of the tightest rental markets in the country.

Plenty of professionals do settle down and buy single family homes in East Rock, Prospect Hill, Westville, etc. The real estate prices reflect that, hardly low end, and any given weekend in any of those neighborhoods and there’s enough strollers roaming around to resemble Park Slope.

I’m sorry. While the city’s poorer areas could certainly use improvement, I don’t think your assessment of the city is accurate.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by JayCT

That’s ridiculously outdated. The Connecticut Department of Labor reports that 99% of the precovid jobs have been recovered. Even the Yankee Institute reported more recent data saying 91% back in December.

Still, it’s kind of logical that more affluent people weren’t rushing back to work. And since Connecticut is one of the most affluent states, it’s logical our state residents aren’t rushing back to work either. Jay

https://www1.ctdol.state.ct.us/lmi/laborsit.asp

https://yankeeinstitute.org/2022/12/...espite-growth/

The nation is far past 99% recovered, and we still lag the nation.

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by Stylo

Sure, they might move. So what? Someone will be there to move in right after them, considering it’s one of the tightest rental markets in the country.

Plenty of professionals do settle down and buy single family homes in East Rock, Prospect Hill, Westville, etc. The real estate prices reflect that, hardly low end, and any given weekend in any of those neighborhoods and there’s enough strollers roaming around to resemble Park Slope.

I’m sorry. While the city’s poorer areas could certainly use improvement, I don’t think your assessment of the city is accurate.

There’s just no doubt that NH is thriving both economically and culturally. To suggest otherwise is just anti city sour grapes. People flock to food and shows there by the day unabashed.
All states major cities have poors along with pros that move to suburbs including infallible Boston and Miami. Everyone knows that.