College Degree not cutting it as way out of poverty for many (vs, salary)
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The solution to this problem is NOT to encourage young people NOT to get college degrees by claiming that there are these wonderful jobs out there that they can get without a two or four year college degree. That degree is a key to job opportunities that simply don't exist for high school grads because employers won't even consider applicants without one.
People advocating students go to college aren't "demonizing" blue collar jobs; they are simply recognizing the reality what those advocating against widespread college attendance refuse to accept: it's employers who dictate the rules, and if you want more than an essentially dead-end job that might eventually, some day in the distant future, pay you $25/hour with no benies. you have to have that piece of paper from a college.
Who exactly is encouraging young people to not go to college? People have choices, some choose to go and do well in life while some don't. Some choose not to go to college and do well in life while some don't. There are many variables, nothing is guaranteed.
I agree everyone needs something after high school whether it be college or some form of job training, the times have changed. There are other ways, other than a college to earn a living and not be poor.
Benefits? Obamacare is supposed to fix that.
If you're advocating everyone go to college, then when does education stop? Eventually a masters will become the new standard and then what? Not everyone wants to go to school forever.
What about a police officer or firefighter? They don't require degrees, are they dead end jobs? Granted they are not easy, but the pay, benefits and pensions are rather good.
Who exactly is encouraging young people to not go to college? People have choices, some choose to go and do well in life while some don't. Some choose not to go to college and do well in life while some don't. There are many variables, nothing is guaranteed.
I agree everyone needs something after high school whether it be college or some form of job training, the times have changed. There are other ways, other than a college to earn a living and not be poor.
Benefits? Obamacare is supposed to fix that.
If you're advocating everyone go to college, then when does education stop? Eventually a masters will become the new standard and then what? Not everyone wants to go to school forever.
What about a police officer or firefighter? They don't require degrees, are they dead end jobs? Granted they are not easy, but the pay, benefits and pensions are rather good.
You could start with just about this entire board. It's the title of this thread!
That's what used to be said about high school!
Actually, many of those jobs require at least an associate's degree, and as in every occupation, the more education, the more opportunity for advancement.
You're making ridiculous allegations and likely haven't been anywhere near a campus. Plus conservative politicians like Cruz, Carson, and Trump had top educations as well.
NYWriter: You need proof that MOST tenured Professors are Liberal? What newspaper do you write for? The NYT? Their reporters would be that ignorant.
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You're making ridiculous allegations and likely haven't been anywhere near a campus. Plus conservative politicians like Cruz, Carson, and Trump had top educations as well.[/quote
NYWriter: You need proof that MOST tenured Professors are Liberal? What newspaper do you write for? The NYT? Their reporters would be that ignorant.
This was clearly the trend even about 10-15 years ago. I'm surprised people are still surprised that college doesn't do much for you. Every year there's a similar article, and people react as if it's news.
Let me make a crazy prediction - even less people will reap the benefits of college next year, because it's not about a degree. College is just assistance, not the solution.
This doesn't really tell the full story of what's going on. The Washington Times quoted followed the campaign donations of 47 professors and declared that as representative of all professors! The study is too LOW.
Also who pays for these universities?
Wealthy people like the Bushes, Clintons, the Obamas, and other donate large sums of money. Most leading Republicans like Trump and Cruz went to top private universities, and as their kids come of age they send them there as well.
These universities have billions in their endowment. What "liberalism"? This is capitalism and elitism.
This doesn't really tell the full story of what's going on. The Washington Times quoted followed the campaign donations of 47 professors and declared that as representative of all professors! The study is too LOW.
Also who pays for these universities?
Wealthy people like the Bushes, Clintons, the Obamas, and other donate large sums of money. Most leading Republicans like Trump and Cruz went to top private universities, and as their kids come of age they send them there as well.
These universities have billions in their endowment. What "liberalism"? This is capitalism and elitism.
Did you read the first study that the Wash. Times article referred to?
The American sample consisted of 1643 faculty members from 183 colleges.
Not really sure what donations from the 1% to any college has to do with the fact that the majority of college professors/teachers lean left?
This was clearly the trend even about 10-15 years ago. I'm surprised people are still surprised that college doesn't do much for you. Every year there's a similar article, and people react as if it's news.
Let me make a crazy prediction - even less people will reap the benefits of college next year, because it's not about a degree. College is just assistance, not the solution.
I disagree; 10-15 years ago a person was almost, almost being the key word, guaranteed some sort of professional type position, whether it was an admin assistant, one of the million variations of "business analyst" or something in sales meaning at a tech company or something. Even with the government it was easy to get in.
The market was hot, the federal government had problems hiring, and the military had problems recruiting and retaining.
Now it is the reverse; college grads even with advanced degrees are working retail or something along those lines. The federal gov receives numerous applications for every open position. The military is turning people away for about anything and people are fighting to stay in the military.
There are many jobs in the government 10-15 years ago did not even require a college degree. Now those same positions require a degree at a minimum to even qualify to apply for the job. Ironically, many of the managers do not have a degree because they started back when it was not required.
Places like the DC area are flooded with applications from across the country as everyone fights to get anything, even volunteer, non-paid positions are flooded with applicants, all trying to get any kind of relevant work experience.
And no, I am not on a "the economy is bad" tirade, the economy is not bad at all, it is that the pipeline of educated people has been building for years, and it is now just moving along, but rather slowly and not fast enough to even keep pace with current grads, let alone the backlogged ones.
I disagree; 10-15 years ago a person was almost, almost being the key word, guaranteed some sort of professional type position, whether it was an admin assistant, one of the million variations of "business analyst" or something in sales meaning at a tech company or something. Even with the government it was easy to get in.
The market was hot, the federal government had problems hiring, and the military had problems recruiting and retaining.
Now it is the reverse; college grads even with advanced degrees are working retail or something along those lines. The federal gov receives numerous applications for every open position. The military is turning people away for about anything and people are fighting to stay in the military.
There are many jobs in the government 10-15 years ago did not even require a college degree. Now those same positions require a degree at a minimum to even qualify to apply for the job. Ironically, many of the managers do not have a degree because they started back when it was not required.
Places like the DC area are flooded with applications from across the country as everyone fights to get anything, even volunteer, non-paid positions are flooded with applicants, all trying to get any kind of relevant work experience.
And no, I am not on a "the economy is bad" tirade, the economy is not bad at all, it is that the pipeline of educated people has been building for years, and it is now just moving along, but rather slowly and not fast enough to even keep pace with current grads, let alone the backlogged ones.
Same "issue" was happening back in the early 90's when I graduated from college.
This is not a new phenomenon.
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