Joe Paterno knew of Jerry Sandusky abuse in 1976 per testimony in newly unsealed records (reputation, NCAA)
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Very disappointing. If Paterno or anyone else knew about children being harmed and did nothing, that would make them complicit in the crime.
Same with Baylor. When people know about crime and do not come forward -- or if truth has been revealed and denial continues, it makes matters worse for the victims.
However, some are quick to blame Christians for what ever they can in order to justify their own hatred of Christianity. If there are those at Baylor (or anywhere) who claim to be Christian, and still look the other way, then only the declared Christianity of those people would be in question. True Christians would not participate in such activity.
To the bold, I cannot agree more.
I've been implying it tongue & cheek for some time, but many Southern Baptists in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas don't even consider the overarching institution of the Fighting Baptists of Baylor as a "real" or "true" Christian entity because of the institution's low and liberal view of the Bible. It's a very loosy-goosy Christianity at best, which many Evangelicals would consider not true Christianity at all.
Look at the professorship of the their religious school and that will tell you a lot. I don't even know how aligned Baylor is with the Southern Baptist convention of Texas. There's two Baptist conventions now in Texas, and I'm not sure that even the moderate-liberal Baptist convention is too high on Baylor.
Oh my god. Disgusting. I can't believe the NCAA did not give Penn State the death penalty, and i can't believe they repealed the sanctions on Penn State.
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I feel bad for the Penn State fans who know what happened was screwed up.
Anyone who tries to defend Paterno after this is scum of the earth and you oughta be ashamed of yourself.
Most of the incidents/alleged incidents (which mostly occurred in the late 1980s, though the one involving Paterno occurred in 1976) that were detailed in the most recent announcement weren't reported to authorities until 2014. Had they been reported back in 2011/2012, I don't think there's any doubt Penn State football would have received the death penalty for a multi-year period.
Something has happened to the core moral values of certain football fans who are more concerned about the game than innocent victims. Saw LOTS of that on the long running Sandusky scandal thread and equally repugnant insane behavior on the Baylor board. It's especially worse for the Bear fans because they are supposed to be Christian.
It's awful that the voices of reason & truth get shouted down by the deniers.
What does religion have to do with anything? Are non-religious people somehow less respectable than religious people?
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Originally Posted by Colt Cassidy
However, some are quick to blame Christians for what ever they can in order to justify their own hatred of Christianity. If there are those at Baylor (or anywhere) who claim to be Christian, and still look the other way, then only the declared Christianity of those people would be in question. True Christians would not participate in such activity.
This. So much this. Its ridiculous how a school is held to higher standards because of a book that was written by people 2,000 years ago.
What a depressing and infuriating offseason this has been. First, we learned that Baylor had a team full of rapists that Art Briles was protecting, and now this is back.
Don't forget that Laremy Tunsil publicly admitted he took money from coaches.
A team full of rapists? Come on now SouthernTiger.. you can't honestly be serious with that nonsense.. There are around 100 people on a football team each year. Factoring in 1/4 of the team rotating in/out each year as they graduate and are replaced, you are talking about nearly 200 players over the period of time from when the TWO convicted rapists were on the team and their sentencing.. If 1 out of 100 players are convicted of rape means the "team is full of rapists", then you've got some pretty messed up comprehension issues, and/or need to sign up for an elementary level math course.
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Originally Posted by Bass&Catfish2008
To the bold, I cannot agree more.
I've been implying it tongue & cheek for some time, but many Southern Baptists in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas don't even consider the overarching institution of the Fighting Baptists of Baylor as a "real" or "true" Christian entity because of the institution's low and liberal view of the Bible. It's a very loosy-goosy Christianity at best, which many Evangelicals would consider not true Christianity at all.
Look at the professorship of the their religious school and that will tell you a lot. I don't even know how aligned Baylor is with the Southern Baptist convention of Texas. There's two Baptist conventions now in Texas, and I'm not sure that even the moderate-liberal Baptist convention is too high on Baylor.
Not this again.. You've already stated your feelings on Mormonism not being a "real" religion, or believing in a "real" Jesus. Why does it matter what one believes in/how one aligns themselves? You can't honestly be ignorant enough to believe that "Southern Baptist"/Christianity is right while every other religions in the world is somehow wrong, can you?
What does religion have to do with anything? Are non-religious people somehow less respectable than religious people?
This. So much this. Its ridiculous how a school is held to higher standards because of a book that was written by people 2,000 years ago.
A team full of rapists? Come on now SouthernTiger.. you can't honestly be serious with that nonsense.. There are around 100 people on a football team each year. Factoring in 1/4 of the team rotating in/out each year as they graduate and are replaced, you are talking about nearly 200 players over the period of time from when the TWO convicted rapists were on the team and their sentencing.. If 1 out of 100 players are convicted of rape means the "team is full of rapists", then you've got some pretty messed up comprehension issues, and/or need to sign up for an elementary level math course.
Not this again.. You've already stated your feelings on Mormonism not being a "real" religion, or believing in a "real" Jesus. Why does it matter what one believes in/how one aligns themselves? You can't honestly be ignorant enough to believe that "Southern Baptist"/Christianity is right while every other religions in the world is somehow wrong, can you?
You are generalizing far more than my comments imply:
"You can't honestly be ignorant enough to believe that "Southern Baptist"/Christianity is right while every other religions in the world is somehow wrong, can you?"
Nope, just the two groups I mentioned: Mormonism and Liberal Baptists (i.e. the professorship at Wacky Waco) with a low view of the Bible.
I understand that this is a football forum so we can take it over to the religion section if you want to continue the dialogue there. Cheers.
I am so sick of the Paterno defenders, I root for them to lose every game.
If you want to give him every benefit of the doubt by dismissing the Freeh Report, all the witness accounts and other damning evidence all we need to do is look at Joe's own Grand Jury testimony to draw a conclussion. In his testimony he made it clear that he turned the matter over to others and washed his hands of it, made no attempt to get to the bottom of exactly what happened and most importantly made no attempt to make sure it never happened again. Years after being told of the shower incident he was still allowing Sandusky to bring children to his practices.
For the guy who was the moral compass of the university this simply can not happen. He turned his back on those children and as a result many lives were altered forever. He will always be remembered for this as he should be.
I am so sick of the Paterno defenders, I root for them to lose every game.
If you want to give him every benefit of the doubt by dismissing the Freeh Report, all the witness accounts and other damning evidence all we need to do is look at Joe's own Grand Jury testimony to draw a conclussion. In his testimony he made it clear that he turned the matter over to others and washed his hands of it, made no attempt to get to the bottom of exactly what happened and most importantly made no attempt to make sure it never happened again. Years after being told of the shower incident he was still allowing Sandusky to bring children to his practices.
For the guy who was the moral compass of the university this simply can not happen. He turned his back on those children and as a result many lives were altered forever. He will always be remembered for this as he should be.
You are correct. The Pedo State defenders of Paterno are on the same level as the Baylor idiots defending Art Briles in their rape cover up scandal.
You are correct. The Pedo State defenders of Paterno are on the same level as the Baylor idiots defending Art Briles in their rape cover up scandal.
Football has blinded them to real life.
You never miss an opportunity to try and slander Baylor, do you? As more articles continue to come out disproving the claims that Art Briles was the problem, it will be harder and harder for y'all to try and drag him through the mud. Now, if any Baylor students/alumni/fans were supporting the BOR, they would definitely be idiots. The BOR is a cesspool that continues to try and protect itself at the expense of others..
Anyways, back to the guy who was proven to have protected a child molester for decades, and the school who will be honoring him this weekend...
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