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Power and Light district vs. Lacledes Landing. KC wins.
Plus KC has the country club plaza district whereas STL doesn't have anything comparable within its city limits.
When I think of KC nightlife, I’d have to include Westport and Crossroads as well.
Not sure how all that stacks up against St. Louis, but I imagine they’re not far off from each other.
Power and Light district vs. Lacledes Landing. KC wins.
Plus KC has the country club plaza district whereas STL doesn't have anything comparable within its city limits.
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Originally Posted by MidwestCoast714
Lacledes Landing was killed dead by COVID. Not sure what wash Ave is like these days.
So I guess the Grove and maybe the Delmar loop would be the main nightlife spots now
The Landing was dead when I moved away for college back in 2009. I'm not even certain if there's a bar left down there, outside of the casino anyway. It's all being converted to residential and office space.
Power & Light's direct St. Louis comparison these days would be Ballpark Village and the other bars neighboring it and Busch Stadium. There's still bars in downtown, but the emphasis has shifted away from Wash Ave. That was happening for years prior to Covid, but Covid certainly accelerated the process.
Outside of downtown, your main bets are going to be the Grove, Soulard, the Delmar Loop, Dogtown, the Central West End, etc.
All of this aside, the real answer is probably neither. Last call is 1:30 am for a regular bar and 3:00 am for late night in both cities.
Power and Light district vs. Lacledes Landing. KC wins.
Plus KC has the country club plaza district whereas STL doesn't have anything comparable within its city limits.
The Plaza is more shopping than nightlife, though it does have a little. And the Plaza is like no other shopping center in the country, though Santana Row in San Jose comes awfully close.
The nightlife's in Westport, about 3/4 mile to the Plaza's north.
KC's answer to Laclede's Landing is the River Market district. It's never been big on nightlife, but it is home to several good restaurants, some boutique shopping and the City Market.
According to the Wikipedia article on Missouri's (generally permissive) liquor control laws, whether a bar in Kansas City, Jackson County, North Kansas City, St. Louis City or St. Louis County has to close at 1:30 or may stay open until 3 a.m. is a function of the bar's annual revenue. And I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over that 3 a.m. closing time: it's later than the closing time in 42 of the 50 states, including California and New York State (though most counties in two of the other eight set closing times pretty much in line with those 42 states). New York City, Buffalo, Albany and Chicago have bars that stay open until 4 a.m., and in New Orleans, they drink in shifts. Probably ditto Las Vegas and Reno.
The people I know who have been to both Kansas City and St. Louis tend to say that St. Louis is quieter and not as lively as Kansas City. Unfortunately, it appears that one of KC's most original music venues no longer operates: While the Mutual Musicians Foundation remains in operation at 1833 Highland Avenue, I see no evidence that it continues to host the all-night jazz jam sessions that began at 10 p.m. on Saturday and ran until 6 a.m. on Sunday, with the liquor flowing freely throughout. (I had heard that after the KCPD raided the place for serving alcohol after the legal closing time, the Missouri legislature passed a bill granting the MMF special permission to do so during the jam session.) Guess if you want to catch live jazz in the 18th and Vine Jazz District, you will have to settle for the Blue Room, the jazz club attached to the American Jazz Museum.
The Plaza is more shopping than nightlife, though it does have a little. And the Plaza is like no other shopping center in the country, though Santana Row in San Jose comes awfully close.
The nightlife's in Westport, about 3/4 mile to the Plaza's north.
KC's answer to Laclede's Landing is the River Market district. It's never been big on nightlife, but it is home to several good restaurants, some boutique shopping and the City Market.
According to the Wikipedia article on Missouri's (generally permissive) liquor control laws, whether a bar in Kansas City, Jackson County, North Kansas City, St. Louis City or St. Louis County has to close at 1:30 or may stay open until 3 a.m. is a function of the bar's annual revenue. And I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over that 3 a.m. closing time: it's later than the closing time in 42 of the 50 states, including California and New York State (though most counties in two of the other eight set closing times pretty much in line with those 42 states). New York City, Buffalo, Albany and Chicago have bars that stay open until 4 a.m., and in New Orleans, they drink in shifts. Probably ditto Las Vegas and Reno.
The people I know who have been to both Kansas City and St. Louis tend to say that St. Louis is quieter and not as lively as Kansas City. Unfortunately, it appears that one of KC's most original music venues no longer operates: While the Mutual Musicians Foundation remains in operation at 1833 Highland Avenue, I see no evidence that it continues to host the all-night jazz jam sessions that began at 10 p.m. on Saturday and ran until 6 a.m. on Sunday, with the liquor flowing freely throughout. (I had heard that after the KCPD raided the place for serving alcohol after the legal closing time, the Missouri legislature passed a bill granting the MMF special permission to do so during the jam session.) Guess if you want to catch live jazz in the 18th and Vine Jazz District, you will have to settle for the Blue Room, the jazz club attached to the American Jazz Museum.
This map doesn't properly note that even in Chicago, that it is only a LIMITED number of bars have late night 4am liquor licenses. Most bars within the city of Chicago, close by 2am. On Saturday night/early Sunday morning, all 2am and 4am bars can close one hour later(at 3 am and 5 for late night bars).
A few suburbs like Niles, allow bars to close late. They allow bars to close at 4am. I think Brookfield used to allow bars to close at 3am. But frequent calls to one of their bars for failing to control calls over stuff like fighting, made Brookfield cut the closing time back for all bars(so unfortunately even the bars that were carefully monitoring behavior of their customers, lost out) to something like 1:30am or 2am.
Indiana bars can stay open till 3am each day, which is kinda interesting. This map also fails to note that while Wisconsin bar closing time on most nights is 2am, they can stay open a half hour later(till 2:30am) on Friday and Saturday nights.
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Power and Light district vs. Lacledes Landing. KC wins.
Plus KC has the country club plaza district whereas STL doesn't have anything comparable within its city limits.
Way to know you haven’t been to St. Louis in at least 30 years…Laclede’s Landing????
I’m old, I have no idea on the nightlife, but I’d guess it’s pretty similar. St. Louis has better universities, so I’m guessing that the young scene might be a little bit better.
But it’s not Laclede’s Landing LOL…It’s the Grove, CWE (including Cortex and the area surrounding SLU), Delmar Loop, Soulard, Tower Grove, Washington Ave. Plus plenty of technically suburban areas like Clayton, Maplewood, Kirkwood, Westport that probably trends a bit older.
Way to know you haven’t been to St. Louis in at least 30 years…Laclede’s Landing????
I’m old, I have no idea on the nightlife, but I’d guess it’s pretty similar. St. Louis has better universities, so I’m guessing that the young scene might be a little bit better.
But it’s not Laclede’s Landing LOL…It’s the Grove, CWE (including Cortex and the area surrounding SLU), Delmar Loop, Soulard, Tower Grove, Washington Ave. Plus plenty of technically suburban areas like Clayton, Maplewood, Kirkwood, Westport that probably trends a bit older.
I live in the Central West End and it is not a bar neighborhood. There are spots spread throughout the neighborhood and I believe they close at 1 or 130. The neighborhood has strict ordinances to keep things manageable. During the 80s and 90s it use to be a hub for lgbt Nightlife but those days are over. Nightlife areas are The Loop, Soulard, Midtown (or midtown alley), Washington Ave, Clark Street, The Grove, and some other spots throughout the city. I haven't heard St. Louis being short on Nightlife but don't know how it stacks up to KC.
I live in the Central West End and it is not a bar neighborhood. There are spots spread throughout the neighborhood and I believe they close at 1 or 130. The neighborhood has strict ordinances to keep things manageable. During the 80s and 90s it use to be a hub for lgbt Nightlife but those days are over. Nightlife areas are The Loop, Soulard, Midtown (or midtown alley), Washington Ave, Clark Street, The Grove, and some other spots throughout the city. I haven't heard St. Louis being short on Nightlife but don't know how it stacks up to KC.
I told you I was old I am old enough that Laclede’s Landing was still the hot place and MPO’Reillys on Maryland was a go-to (and I know that’s long gone).
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I am old enough that Laclede’s Landing was still the hot place and MPO’Reillys on Maryland was a go-to (and I know that’s long gone).
