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What on earth are you people doing? All these figures are kind of silly. LA has no problem with its blackness, influence or culture. Stop this madness! Lol!! And Bostonborn, whatever.
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Originally Posted by pwright1
But what are you trying to prove with all of this about us black Angelinos? What is your point? To prove that there's no area in Los Angeles that's 70% black? Now that's what's nauseating
We were talking about the geographic spread of African Americans in Los Angeles and how that might determine how "big" they perceive the city to be which is likely correlated ot their presence in various areas. Personally, it's my contention that it may feel bigger than to black people despite a smaller African American population precisely because the population isnt very concentrated and folks of all races in Los Angeles are wholly accustomed to being in less black heavy areas than in DC.
And I outlined the places in the LA area that are 70% black, there are over a dozen of them-they just don't equate to 50 square miles or 700k people in any way.
I used the exact parameters you gave me and even expanded it. This map is a bit North/East of where you alluded to.
Also bro this map and data is from the year 2000 .. It's so far from the demographic situation on the ground today I've got to call it useless.
Its without a doubt out of the big top 10 cities Seattle, San Francisco and LA are the bottom third of peak black intensity/contiguous area relative to their populations. I'd put LA above the other 2 though. Could be compared to Boston but not DC in this respect. Adjusted for size of course.
Seattle isn't in the same universe. Obviously LA isn't comparable to DC or Atlanta or even NYC and Chicago.
Look at the map on the link below. The green dots represent the area that I've tried to describe.
If you start at Central/Del Amo in Carson and go north. Turn left on Alondra in Compton and turn right on Van Ness until Slauson. Turn left on Slauson and right on Crenshaw until Adams. You will be surrounded by majority black neighborhoods for all or almost all of the way for at least a mile each way. Sometimes a couple miles each way. It's only a fraction of what it used to be.
Seattle isn't in the same universe. Obviously LA isn't comparable to DC or Atlanta or even NYC and Chicago.
Look at the map on the link below. The green dots represent the area that I've tried to describe.
If you start at Central/Del Amo in Carson and go north. Turn left on Alondra in Compton and turn right on Van Ness until Slauson. Turn left on Slauson and right on Crenshaw until Adams. You will be surrounded by majority black neighborhoods for all or almost all of the way for at least a mile each way. Sometimes a couple miles each way. It's only a fraction of what it used to be.
I hear you, I'm not gonna try to down talk LAs black areas, I've barely been. You would know more than me. LAs got plenty of black influence and culture but I was just talking 2020 geographic area/concentration relative to the entire Los Angeles CSA. It's still a large raw number of African Americans relative to most cities.
We were talking about the geographic spread of African Americans in Los Angeles and how that might determine how "big" they perceive the city to be which is likely correlated ot their presence in various areas. Personally, it's my contention that it may feel bigger than to black people despite a smaller African American population precisely because the population isnt very concentrated and folks of all races in Los Angeles are wholly accustomed to being in less black heavy areas than in DC.
And I outlined the places in the LA area that are 70% black, there are over a dozen of them-they just don't equate to 50 square miles or 700k people in any way.
I think that your contention could be somewhat true for black people born and raised in LA, but not at all true for black people that move to LA as adults.
But I think that the original point by MDAllstar was regarding how black visitors view each city. I don’t think that many black visitors to LA come and go thinking that LA is small.
Seattle isn't in the same universe. Obviously LA isn't comparable to DC or Atlanta or even NYC and Chicago.
Look at the map on the link below. The green dots represent the area that I've tried to describe.
If you start at Central/Del Amo in Carson and go north. Turn left on Alondra in Compton and turn right on Van Ness until Slauson. Turn left on Slauson and right on Crenshaw until Adams. You will be surrounded by majority black neighborhoods for all or almost all of the way for at least a mile each way. Sometimes a couple miles each way. It's only a fraction of what it used to be.
Seattle isn't in the same universe as San Francisco? That's just flat out wrong.
According to the US Census in 2019 Seattle was 7.5% Black (55,000 Black people) and San Francisco was 5.2% Black (46,000 Black people).
Having spent time in both cities I feel a stronger black presence in Seattle. Of course SF is more diverse overall - it has 3X Seattle's Asian population and 2X Seattle's Hispanic population. But Seattle has the stronger Black presence.
Seattle isn't in the same universe as San Francisco? That's just flat out wrong.
According to the US Census in 2019 Seattle was 7.5% Black (55,000 Black people) and San Francisco was 5.2% Black (46,000 Black people).
Having spent time in both cities I feel a stronger black presence in Seattle. Of course SF is more diverse overall - it has 3X Seattle's Asian population and 2X Seattle's Hispanic population. But Seattle has the stronger Black presence.
I meant that it’s not in the same universe as LA. SF may be in the same universe as LA if you include Oakland and Richmond. I’m not sure.
I think that your contention could be somewhat true for black people born and raised in LA, but not at all true for black people that move to LA as adults.
But I think that the original point by MDAllstar was regarding how black visitors view each city. I don’t think that many black visitors to LA come and go thinking that LA is small.
I'm gonna be honest- I just went to a map with 2015-2019 data. I crunched the numbers myself...
Within the area you named there are 16 census tracts that are 70% or more black. Those 16 tracts account for 66,842 people.
Then lets add in the View Park/Windsor hills tracts that are over 70% black. Theres 4 of them. They total 19,008.
So in all of the LA CSA, you have 20 census tracts that are 70% or more black and they number 85,850.
So out of 18 milion people in Greater LA about .047% live in an area thats 70% or more black.
Out of the ~1,2000,000 black people in the LA CSA about 65,000 are black people who live in a 70%+ black census tract. About 5.4% of all black people live in an area like that in LA.
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'700,000+ 70% black + LA' doesnt not compute
Finally, I should add only 12 of these census tracts are contiguous. the population of the largest pockets of 70% contiguous tracts is about 55,000 people.
LA has less peak blackness intensity than even some smaller New England metros. It has no census tracts that are 90%+ black.
I actually think this probably serves to make LA feels blacker or bigger for black people as the population is super spread out and visible. This leads to higher comfortability and normalcy throughout the Los Angeles region.
Regardless, LA is a large suburban area and not all that urban as a city. Thats part of the appeal.
The black population has definitely spread out from just the urban core of Los Angeles and in many ways that's a very good thing. There is still a substantial urban black population in Los Angeles even if there aren't a huge number of neighborhoods that are exclusively black. South LA has a large mix of black and hispanic at this point with a mix of other peoples as well and it's quite urban and contiguous with Central LA and the Westside that are also quite urban though not generally as urban as Central LA and the urban environment plays more to the criticism over the built environment that's been leveled against Central LA. Infrastructure-wise, the area isn't getting heavy rail rapid transit, but it does currently have three light rail lines running through it and a fourth one under construction, so there is some investment coming into the community.
Again, you would have to shrink DC to 45 sq miles and 712k (present day) to accurately reflect "habitable land" area of Washington DC. The National Mall, NPS parkland area, Military bases etc. don't have residents. So the "city" where residences are, would be a density of 15,822 ppsm. And that's not even the District's historic peak population.
I spend plenty of time in LA, Central LA/Hollywood is where I stay at when I'm out there. It's overall more broad scale urbanity in a text book sense than not only DC, but Boston, SF etc., if you were to only bring up "size". But that's where it ends.
Again Central LA 90006 zip code one of the three most dense in the nation on paper, has this inside of it:
People can bring up all the density numbers they want, until those images above get corrected, Central LA, is not more urban than the most urban parts of DC period.
Regarding "tall buildings", of course LA "beats" DC there. It's multiple times larger with no height limits. However, for some context DC actually has more high rise structures (above 110 feet) pound for pound than most major urban cities.
The Mt. Vernon Triangle/Northwest One/NOMA/Union Market corridor is the same size as the traditional downtown DC people speak about. The missing pieces are coming together to make a footprint that will swallow even the most impressive areas in the country. The sheer size of this area from Foggy Bottom to Union Market is unprecedented for a city of 61 sq. miles.
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