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Something I note about the MSA stats ClevelandBrown posted:
Missouri's two large cities have the largest MSAs of them all by land area, with St. Louis somewhat bigger than Kansas City (as it is in metro area population, by about the same margin), and they are also the two least densely populated of these MSAs, with KC the most thinly populated.* (The Twin Cities MSA encompasses just slightly less area than KC but is much more densely populated.)
I wonder what the land area and density figures are for the UZAs?
*Both cities bring up the rear of the annual TomTom Traffic Index road congestion rankings, with traffic just a little more free-flowing in Kansas City; no other US MSA of 2-million-plus has less congested traffic than it.)
Surprised no one compared urbanized areas, which would be the most accurate measure of apples to apples in terms of how big a city/metro actually and practically feels:
2010 Midwest Urbanized Areas
3 Chicago, IL–IN–WI 8,608,208
11 Detroit, MI 3,734,090
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul, MN 2,650,890
20 St. Louis, MO–IL 2,150,706
25 Cleveland, OH 1,780,673
30 Cincinnati, OH–KY–IN 1,624,827
31 Kansas City, MO–KS 1,519,417
33 Indianapolis, IN 1,487,483
35 Milwaukee, WI 1,376,476
36 Columbus, OH 1,368,035
I think urban areas are in some ways a better measurement, but there's no 2019 estimate that seemed handy, and for that clump of cities that are pretty close to each other for a lot of things, these nine years probably have meant some significant changes.
Surprised no one compared urbanized areas, which would be the most accurate measure of apples to apples in terms of how big a city/metro actually and practically feels:
2010 Midwest Urbanized Areas
3 Chicago, IL–IN–WI 8,608,208
11 Detroit, MI 3,734,090
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul, MN 2,650,890
20 St. Louis, MO–IL 2,150,706
25 Cleveland, OH 1,780,673
30 Cincinnati, OH–KY–IN 1,624,827
31 Kansas City, MO–KS 1,519,417
33 Indianapolis, IN 1,487,483
35 Milwaukee, WI 1,376,476
36 Columbus, OH 1,368,035
I do agree that Urban Area is a better measurement than MSA (and especially city limits), and based on that. Yeah not a huge difference except St. Louis is slightly closer to Minneapolis there than Cleveland was (at 2,000 Square miles)
With that, Cleveland's UA doesn't include most of Lorain County (which is in the MSA). It does though include much of northern Summit County (in Akron's MSA). It also doesn't include parts of Medina County (Cleveland MSA, but Akron's UA).
What im getting is if you give credence to Urban Area, might as well give credence to Urban Agglomerations (contiguous UAs). There, Cleveland and Cincinnati jump way up.... but i guess that's also what my other numbers showed.
Last edited by ClevelandBrown; 01-23-2021 at 01:42 AM..
Chicago- 8,586,888
Detroit 3,731,486
Minneapolis-St Paul 2,885,614
St Louis 2,144,317
Cleveland 1,742,437
Cincinnati 1,684,800
Indianapolis 1,636,763
Kansas City 1,602,005
Columbus 1,547,862
Milwaukee 1,390,046
Chicago- 8,586,888
Detroit 3,731,486
Minneapolis-St Paul 2,885,614
St Louis 2,144,317
Cleveland 1,742,437
Cincinnati 1,684,800
Indianapolis 1,636,763
Kansas City 1,602,005
Columbus 1,547,862
Milwaukee 1,390,046
When compared to the 2010 figures, you can see how Columbus and Indianapolis are climbing up the ladder and disrupting the rankings. I expect both to eclipse Cincinnati and Cleveland sometime around the middle of the decade and maybe even St. Louis in another couple of years. But from there, they would most likely remain in spots 4 and 5 for some time.
When compared to the 2010 figures, you can see how Columbus and Indianapolis are climbing up the ladder and disrupting the rankings. I expect both to eclipse Cincinnati and Cleveland sometime around the middle of the decade and maybe even St. Louis in another couple of years. But from there, they would most likely remain in spots 4 and 5 for some time.
I'm not familiar so I'm curious - do you guys think Indianapolis will continue to grow that fast? I see its metro area has slowed from 23% growth in 2010 to less than half that by 2020 (likely around 10%).
Metro Columbus has fallen off as well, looks like its growth has been steadily declining over the past 5 years.
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