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Those were MSA statistics, not city statistics. Nearly 40% of Minneapolis' population is non-white, while Portland's non-white population is around 24%.
So we're going to assess Minneapolis by it's city limits. Except when it comes to the other things Minneapolis has to offer? Then we're going to include the entire MSA.
You have to go one way or the other. You can't go back and forth, picking and choosing to make one city "better" than the other, statistically.
Will the opening of the Central Corridor / Green Line in Minneapolis change things much? Will it make these two places even more similar if there's a more comparable transit system between the two?
Will the opening of the Central Corridor / Green Line in Minneapolis change things much? Will it make these two places even more similar if there's a more comparable transit system between the two?
Even with the Central Corridor open, Minneapolis will still be behind Portland when it comes to Transit. That said, the Central Corridor will be nice, but we already have great bus service that runs the same route (the 16 and the 50). Honestly, the bus system here is amazing, but people seem to have an allergic reaction when it comes to taking the bus.
If Minneapolis manages to build all the transit it's planning, it will be ahead of Portland, but for now Portland still wins (of course Portland punches miles above its weight there).
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Yet you don't think the fact that Minneapolis has a higher percentage white population makes it over-all less diverse?
Can't really have it both ways. jaboyd1 is right, it's really too close to call.
Minneapolis has a much bigger white ethnic population than Portland (i.e. diversity is not determined solely by skin color).
The Minnesota posters know that as a current rural Minnesota resident I really dislike Mpls/St.P, so I'm admitting my bias up front.
and it's been many years since I lived in Olympia WA and visited Portland frequently. The last time I was in Portland was 2003. So there's that.
But I would say based on experience and memory that Mpls/St.P is CONSIDERABLY more sprawled than Portland.
If you enjoy miles and miles and miles of urban/suburban sprawl, pick Mpls/St.P.
If you want to live urban and be able to quickly escape out to rural for fun activities, pick Portland.
And my memories of Portland are that it is more a cohesive PLACE than Mpls/St.P. So much of Mpls/St.P is generic burbville.
Downtown Portland is clean and centered and easy to navigate and unique. Downtown Mpls and downtown St.P have been ruined by intrusive highways that cut off neighborhoods. For proof, try to visit the state historical societies in each city. The OR state historical society is easily accessible and wonderful. The MN state historical society is a complete mess to get to - but it's wonderful too.
Again, not by much. Portland-13.1% foreign born; Minneapolis-15.2%. Still mostly US born. Most common place of birth for foreign-born residents in both cities is Mexico, 19% of Portland's fb population and 24% of Minneapolis'. In addition, 41% of Portland residents were born in-state (Oregon), and 51% of Minneapolis' (Minnesota). There is no sizable % of foreign-born Europeans in Minneapolis; while 4% of Portland foreign-born residents were born in Russia.
So we're going to assess Minneapolis by it's city limits. Except when it comes to the other things Minneapolis has to offer? Then we're going to include the entire MSA.
You have to go one way or the other. You can't go back and forth, picking and choosing to make one city "better" than the other, statistically.
You're the one that said
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Neither city has much of a non-white population of any sort.
City.
Besides, most of the other things that Minneapolis has to offer are in the city itself or in St. Paul. Of course, the metro has a lot of interesting places, but except for the metro lakes and parks (excluding the lakes and parks already in Minneapolis), the Mall of America, the airport, and the population, most things about the metro go unmentioned. Almost everything else discussed is strictly about the city. Same with Portland.
First, who cares which city is incrementally less white than the other? Let's face facts, if diversity is really important to you, you are not going to move to Minneapolis or Portland. They are among the least diverse major metropolitan areas in the United States. This diversity pissing contest is pointless and dumb.
Second, Minneapolis has a transit score of 69, even without the central corridor and Portland has a transit score of 50.
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