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View Poll Results: Which middle Midwest metro is best: Kansas City, Saint Louis, Omaha, Indianapolis
Kansas City MO 59 29.80%
Saint Louis MO 90 45.45%
Omaha NE 19 9.60%
Indianapolis IN 30 15.15%
Voters: 198. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-16-2023, 03:22 PM
 
Location: OC
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I vote Indy. Closer to nyc and chicago
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Old 09-18-2023, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Out of the 4 Cities listed I have been to 3 of them :

Kansas City
Omaha
St. Louis

Omaha : I spent close to a month there and it's a nice city but too small for me.
Kansas City : Another nice city but became very Suburban rapidly.
St. Louis The City and infrastructure reminded me of the Northeast and very Urban.
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Old 12-25-2023, 10:55 PM
 
Location: St. Louis City
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In regards to the airport. I suspect the comparison was in passenger counts, but I will defer. St. Louis is faring quite well for a medium hub airport, with higher passenger counts than Indy. That isn't your cities fault, you have closer competition than we do. Louisville, Cincy, Dayton, Chicago are all close than other airports to STL and they draw from your far out areas. Indy did build a new airport, and we have a much older one in St. Louis - that is being replaced with and airport that will still be bigger than Indy's. My google search indicates 39 gates in Indy, similar to the new terminal at KCI. The new St. Louis airport will have 62 gates. We can discuss performance when OUR new airport opens (of course, by then the Indy airport will be about 22 years old. Will you like the comparison then?

Regarding sports, I thinking MLB, MLS and Hockey have higher attendance (and revenue) and are in a different league than WNBA (I am not trying to take anything away from the WNBA). Appears as though the 2023 average for the Indianapolis Fever was 4066 per game, the second lowest in the league. I am also seeing the NBA average attendance in Indy was 15,647 per game. If you want to include WNBA then you should also include our XFL, especially with the attendance records we set - the 2023 Battlehawk season averaged 35,104 per game. You do have the Indy 500.

Looking at a google search (this was Newsweek) the highest ranking hospital in Indy was the Indiana University Medical center - as 150th. Barnes was ranked 33rd.

Before we say anything about a place leap frogging others lets first compare things as they are today, and not what we expect them to be in the future, because wile potentially at different rates, things are progressing in many cities.

I am NOT dissing your city, I am just trying to provide some perspective on a few items that I can google and get comparative data collect. It's great to be a booster, but boosting your city doesn't have to mean saying you are better than others. Most of the time, it's an opinion. So, don't get updset if others opinions don't agree with you.
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Old 12-25-2023, 11:20 PM
 
Location: St. Louis City
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Quickly adding the passenger counts (enplaning and deplaning combined) for the three airports - Oct YTD:

STL - 11,451,843
KCI - 9,658,337
INDY - 7,162,993

You might want to check your data for KCI. I think you grossly understated it.

https://flykc.com/traffic-statistics
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Old 12-27-2023, 11:41 PM
 
Location: St. Louis City
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I also looked into the GDP rankings, a measure of a metro areas economy. Dollars in thousands:

STL - #24 186,569,544
INDY - #30 162,062,985
KC - #33 154,328,892
OMAHA - #52 73,876,512

If my math is right, St. Louis has a GDP that is 24.5 trillion dollars higher than Indy.
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Old 12-28-2023, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Upper Midwest
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If my math is right, St. Louis has a GDP that is 24.5 trillion dollars higher than Indy.

Trillion or billion?
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Old 12-28-2023, 08:36 AM
 
Location: St. Louis City
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Trillion or billion?
Trillion, since the data show above is listed as in thousands. So 186 trillion dollars to 162 trillion.
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Old 12-28-2023, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Upper Midwest
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Originally Posted by STLCityMike View Post
Trillion, since the data show above is listed as in thousands. So 186 trillion dollars to 162 trillion.


Nope. Here is total U.S. GDP from 2021:

Four major middle Midwest metros:  Kansas City, Saint Louis, Omaha, Indianapolis-screen-shot-2023-12-28-1.09.21
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Old 12-28-2023, 05:51 PM
 
Location: St. Louis City
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Ahh - you are correct. I rechecked my data, and then realized I skipped ahead in my conversions.

But here is the source I used:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/us-cities-by-gdp-map/
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Old 12-28-2023, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Upper Midwest
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Still, pretty decent numbers - particularly for StL.
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