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Much of that is cyclical and Atlanta got hammered pretty hard during the recession and took longer to recover than most cities; however job growth is very strong now and future job growth projections are high. On the other hand, Houston has slowed down a bit with the drastic decrease of oil prices. DFW is doing well all around right now and Miami is still Miami LOL.
I disagree now again. Houston and ATL population was closer in the 90s. If memory serves me the difference then was 500K.
By the 2000 census the difference was 600k.
Atlanta boomed like crazy in the early 2000s and yet by census 2010 the gap had increased to 700K.
Now halfway into the new decade Houston is almost 900 ahead. So I don't think economic cycles affect this scenario much. The boom had to do with a larger foreign population with a higher birth rate.
If the next 5 years are like the last, Houston will grow by another 500K, while ATL will grow by a still impressive 300k. That would put Atl at 5.9 Million and Houston at 7M. I think Southern boy and Dabonem got something there. Houston and DFW are greatly out pacing Atlanta. DFW should be at 7.5M by the next census. That's a huge difference.
Much of that is cyclical and Atlanta got hammered pretty hard during the recession and took longer to recover than most cities; however job growth is very strong now and future job growth projections are high. On the other hand, Houston has slowed down a bit with the drastic decrease of oil prices. DFW is doing well all around right now and Miami is still Miami LOL.
Atlanta saw 32.4k jobs created in October. Dallas saw about 8,000. Let's not even post about Houston's job growth. It's downright pathetic at this point. It's unemployment rate has risen by .4% in the last 2-3 months or so. At the rate it's going, Atlanta will have a lower unemployment rate by Q2 2016.
Houston literally lives by boom and bust cycles. It's boom cycle was between 2009-2014. Now it'll have a bust cycle between 2015-2019 or so and in that timeframe, Atlanta has plenty of opportunity to close the gap again especially since Atlanta has hit it's stride again.
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But Houston added just 19,000 jobs in the 12 months that ended in October, well below previous boom years, including the year before October 2014, when the job count rose by 114,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Home sales sank 10 percent in October, one of the region's first significant signs of stress and the sharpest decline in local home sales in four years. And the Port of Houston Authority expects steel trade to fall 11 percent next year, on top of a 17 percent decline in 2015.
Houston added 19k jobs year over year. Atlanta added almost twice that in one month.
I disagree now again. Houston and ATL population was closer in the 90s. If memory serves me the difference then was 500K.
By the 2000 census the difference was 600k.
Atlanta boomed like crazy in the early 2000s and yet by census 2010 the gap had increased to 700K.
Now halfway into the new decade Houston is almost 900 ahead. So I don't think economic cycles affect this scenario much. The boom had to do with a larger foreign population with a higher birth rate.
If the next 5 years are like the last, Houston will grow by another 500K, while ATL will grow by a still impressive 300k. That would put Atl at 5.9 Million and Houston at 7M. I think Southern boy and Dabonem got something there. Houston and DFW are greatly out pacing Atlanta. DFW should be at 7.5M by the next census. That's a huge difference.
Atlanta will grow much faster than 300k. Atlanta's 2nd half of the decade will be FAR better than it's first. Just like Houston's 2nd half of the decade will be FAR worse than it's first.
With southern cities, Economic conditions are always tied into population growth. Houston's population growth will slow down dramatically while Atlanta's population growth will continue to rise.
You can't just assume population growth is static especially now that Houston is suffering an economic meltdown.
People are even leaving the Houston area altogether because they were laid off.
I doubt it Ant.
2000 to 2010 was Atlanta s best decade.
Here's the numbers.
2000
Atl 4,263,000
Hou 4,693,000
Mia 5,007,000
DFW 5,204,000
2010
Atl 5,286,000
Mia 5,564,000
Hou 5,920,000
DFW 6,426,000
2015
Atl 5,614,000
Mia 5,929,000
Hou 6,490,000
DFW 6,954,000
Actually, the 1990s were Atlanta's best decade. Regardless, both decades include the economic recession which is largely reason why Atlanta's growth slowed.
Atlanta lowest growth year from 66k in a year in the last 20 years a few years ago. You're basically saying Atlanta will only grow 60k per year from this point onto 2020. Atlanta just had a 90k growth year last year. It's strongly expect Atlanta's metro growth will finally hit the 100k+ per year growth mark again.
The numbers you are stating come from the census study of urban areas which is an inaccurate way of stating which city is denser then the other. If this was the case and you look at the 2010 US Census urban areas, LA comes in first at 6,999.3 people per sq mile. New York City comes 5th at 5,318.9 per sq mile. Anyone in the right mind knows NYC is a lot denser than LA. For this reason, densities of cities aren't determined by urban area. They're determined by the density of the city as a whole. Houston tops New Orleans with 3,662 per sq mile over New Orleans' 2,274 per sq mile.
Yes, Miami still remains in first with an impressive 11,135.9 per sq mile. But that's outside of the point.
Houston ends up topping New Orleans both in population and in density so there's no comparison. It's actually funny to make such a comparison.
Urban areas are actually pretty good to use and not inaccurate.
NYC is more built up in the city, but outside of that and a few of the close in cities, it is more spread out. Winding roads, larger yards, etc. Meanwhile, LA only has a few districts that reach NYC level density but the overall density does not drop off. It remains consistent over a much larger area.
This is similar to Atlanta and the Texas metros. Atlanta is built like most metro areas out east, with larger yards and winding, hilly streets. The Texas metros have the grid layout the helps keep more consistent density. This is why they feel larger than Atlanta to me. That and Atlanta is also heavily forested.
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Originally Posted by Ant131531
Atlanta saw 32.4k jobs created in October. Dallas saw about 8,000. Let's not even post about Houston's job growth. It's downright pathetic at this point. It's unemployment rate has risen by .4% in the last 2-3 months or so. At the rate it's going, Atlanta will have a lower unemployment rate by Q2 2016.
Houston literally lives by boom and bust cycles. It's boom cycle was between 2009-2014. Now it'll have a bust cycle between 2015-2019 or so and in that timeframe, Atlanta has plenty of opportunity to close the gap again especially since Atlanta has hit it's stride again.
Houston added 19k jobs year over year. Atlanta added almost twice that in one month.
The Houston posters got to comfortable these last few years and thought they were invincible. Glad to see they're getting their do justice.
How are Houston posters getting justice? This will just be a low two years for Houston. The energy companies will adjust as usual. The east side refining plants are doing fine btw, and the east side is booming. The Port expansions will help that side too.
Houston will be fine. It was by far the fastest job creator for a few years (like led the nation...is Atlanta?). I wonder if we looked at the past five years, where each city would rank for job creation because even with Atlanta outpacing Houston now, Atlanta still has the higher unemployment rate.
There is not an economic meltdown in Houston. Medical is booming, especially with the recently announced TMC3. You have the University of Texas announcing plans for a 300-acre Houston campus. The Final Four is there next year and the Super Bowl will be there the year after, providing more job growth and a local stimulus. Panama Canal expansion providing more jobs due to an increase in distribution centers, etc. These things (and more) happening during your "bust" cycle for Houston.
2010 was Atlanta's lowest year in the last 35 years, it grew by 45K. 2006 was it's best year ever with 160k. So it averages out.
Houstons best year was also 2006 when it gained 186K.
Yes, ATL grew by 88k last year, but Houston grew by 156K and 94K of that was births. Houston may slow down on people coming in but they will still be pumping out enough people to stay over 100K.
In the last 14 years since the 2000 census Houston has gained more than 115,000 in 11 of those 14 years and more than 90,000 in all of them.
In the same period Atlanta grew by more than 115,000 in only 3 years and more than 90,000 in 5 of them.
Similarly DFW grew by more than 115k in 10 of those 14 years and more than 90 in all but one.
So if you ask me ATL is the one that sees the more cyclical growth while Houston and DFW has a more robust birth rate that results in 100K growth rate on a yearly basis for the last 30 years
So yes, I do imagine that by the next census the gap between the Texas cities and ATL will have increased further
Hey Anthony Webster do you plan on moving out of your parents basement in Conyers, Georgia? Are you ever going to get a job? I know your poor, stupid, and unemployed that's what happens when you go to a reject school GSU and not to GATech or Emory.
You do know I've already graduated from GSU with a degree in Computer Science and have a nice job as a Software Engineer, correct? Love that you have to create a new account, coward. You can't even use "you're' proper or use a period as you attempt to berate someone as being "stupid".
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2010 was Atlanta's lowest year in the last 35 years, it grew by 45K. 2006 was it's best year ever with 160k. So it averages out.
Houstons best year was also 2006 when it gained 186K.
Yes, ATL grew by 88k last year, but Houston grew by 156K and 94K of that was births. Houston may slow down on people coming in but they will still be pumping out enough people to stay over 100K.
In the last 14 years since the 2000 census Houston has gained more than 115,000 in 11 of those 14 years and more than 90,000 in all of them.
In the same period Atlanta grew by more than 115,000 in only 3 years and more than 90,000 in 5 of them.
Similarly DFW grew by more than 115k in 10 of those 14 years and more than 90 in all but one.
So if you ask me ATL is the one that sees the more cyclical growth while Houston and DFW has a more robust birth rate that results in 100K growth rate on a yearly basis for the last 30 years
So yes, I do imagine that by the next census the gap between the Texas cities and ATL will have increased further
Very interesting. I missed the year 2010 so that was my mistake. I guess you're right. In the end, a lot of it comes down to Houston and Dallas have higher natural birthrates than Atlanta.
The question is...are they widening the gap in terms of stature and recognition?
Very interesting. I missed the year 2010 so that was my mistake. I guess you're right. In the end, a lot of it comes down to Houston and Dallas have higher natural birthrates than Atlanta.
The question is...are they widening the gap in terms of stature and recognition?
I think they will be as people stop looking at it as the big southern 4.
Miami already has lost a lot of its lead. In 1980 Miami had the largest population in the south at 3,220,000. ATL was only 2,338,000 then (about the same size at Seattle, Minneapolis St Paul and Cleveland).
I think Houston and DFW will be in a new category because they will be far larger than Atlanta and Miami, but far smaller than the next biggest metro (Chicago). I don't think a metro in the 5 to 6 M range is comparable to metros in the 7 to 8 range
By CSA, DFW and Houston peers will be Boston and SF.
After cleaning up some troll posts, and since this thread has devolved into yet another inane Atlanta vs. Dallas vs. Houston vs. Miami thread (and heavy on the Atlanta vs. Houston posts), it is now time to close it.
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