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What can you tell me about Peter, I have been 'so busy' with dysfunctional family issues that I have not had time to 'worry' about Peter. Among some Christians of my acquaintance I notice disdain when I mention that I believe I am a great deal like him.
From my early religious experiences I recall that he was very loyal to Christ, 'The Big Fisherman', denied he knew Christ and then went on to become 'The Rock' upon which Christ relied to found the church.
I liked him because I read a book as an adolescent, 'The Big Fisherman', by Lloyd Douglas/The Robe, IIRC. At any rate the secretive way that the Christians had to live intrigued me and I really liked the way Peter took charge of situations.
So start from there--I know he disagreed with Paul at Antioch--Paul said some things about women that were not 'Right'/Peter said the same things--in that day and time that was a cultural belief. 'Women should be silent'---I can't agree at all. Knowing that on the 2nd page of Genesis it clearly says that man and woman are equal --partners.
(No sense trying to convert me if you believe otherwise, FWIW.)
I know I have a tendency to argue, something of a temper but I manage it until I encounter absolute idiocy/injustice. "Moral Outrage"--necessary at times.
So start from there--I know he disagreed with Paul at Antioch--Paul said some things about women that were not 'Right'/Peter said the same things--in that day and time that was a cultural belief. 'Women should be silent'---I can't agree at all. Knowing that on the 2nd page of Genesis it clearly says that man and woman are equal --partners.
(No sense trying to convert me if you believe otherwise, FWIW.)
I believe that "silent" (hesuchia) is related to hesuchios and dremos "quiet, tranquil, peaceable" I believe that there was a change in the relationship between the man and woman when God disciplined Adam and Eve. I believe that Peter was a great disciple/apostle of the Lord and a strong leader in the early church. God bless.
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Well, in my church bookstore when I mentioned Peter the woman got a strange look on her face and said they didn't have anything about Peter. Maybe they are doing a focus series on Paul. I can't see that Paul was 'Better than Peter' myself. Peter was the 'Rock' upon which the church was founded.
sigh--I am also a lot like David who really went 'out of his mind', imo.
All my minister could think of for me was to try to be more like John --with the limitations I have. I have no problem being a friend--whether I would ever qualify as 'Christ's Best Friend' is something only God knows. If He wants me to do that then I guess it will once again take Divine Intervention.
I will read more about Peter, somehow. I am German and we are bossy, authoritative, argumentative people at time--also very kind and know what is Right and don't hesitate to try to right a wrong.
Also, Scots-Irish and English--all very forthright and purposeful people, among other things.
LOL--Good thing I was born in September--God just made a few especially 'Perfect' people. 'Perfectionistic'--therapists have tried to get me to ease off and generally I do--if it is something I believe is important, however, I will try to move heaven and earth. cough--Necessary in my line of work. Teaching.
Here is what I found in my Bible about Peter.
He because the recognized leader among Jesus' disciples. Was the first great voice of the gospel during and after Pentecost. Probably know Mark and gave him information for the Gospel of Mark. Wrote 1st and 2nd Peter. Often spoke without thinking, was brash and impulsive. During Jesus' trial, denied three time he ever knew Jesus (just as Jesus had predicted).
Jesus accepted Peter in spite of his flaws and failures and Peter went on to do great things for God.
Here is what I found in my Bible about Peter.
He because the recognized leader among Jesus' disciples. Was the first great voice of the gospel during and after Pentecost. Probably know Mark and gave him information for the Gospel of Mark. Wrote 1st and 2nd Peter. Often spoke without thinking, was brash and impulsive. During Jesus' trial, denied three time he ever knew Jesus (just as Jesus had predicted).
Jesus accepted Peter in spite of his flaws and failures and Peter went on to do great things for God.
Thanks. That is what I knew about him. He was the one, IIRC, who was so worried when they were in the boat with Christ prior to the Sermon on the Mount. Of course Christ reassured him but Peter definitely felt he had to handle things himself--well do I know that feeling. Cannot always tell when God wants me to do this or when He wants me to let Him take charge.
My family firmly believes in 'Do It for Yourself'--and 'we cannot choose our families, only our friends...'
I'll keep researching. Sad that I don't know what he said to Paul--maybe not so important--they seemed to have agreed to disagree or somehow worked through the issue. No one can do more than that.
Maybe Paul had some 'Good things to say' but 'Women should be silent' is enough to make me somewhat skeptical about him.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John seem to me more informed on topics relevant to my life.
Hi, although Peter and Paul may have had a conflict concerning the Gentile Christians (Galatians 2), the apostle Peter accepted and supported the apostle Paul (2 Peter 3:14-16) God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 06-07-2008 at 12:17 AM..
So start from there--I know he disagreed with Paul at Antioch--Paul said some things about women that were not 'Right'/Peter said the same things--in that day and time that was a cultural belief. 'Women should be silent'---I can't agree at all. Knowing that on the 2nd page of Genesis it clearly says that man and woman are equal --partners.
(No sense trying to convert me if you believe otherwise, FWIW.)
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Hi, although Peter and Paul may have had a conflict concerning the Gentile Christians (Galatians 2), the apostle Peter accepted and supported the apostle Paul (2 Peter 3:14-16) God bless.
Thanks. I assumed they found a way to work things out --considering what they were trying to do and all the stoning, flaying and violent hatred of Christians--they would have been fools not to pull together. Certain Ben Franklin could have counseled them on that.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
From my experience with my father and the first two--my initial reaction is 'Fat Chance' of that if I ever find 'The Prince'. shrug--Still plenty of time Gloria Steinhem married in her 80's :-).
I still go with the verse on the 2nd page of Genesis that says what God intended was for man and woman to be equal. Never have believed the Bible --every word of it --should be taken literally. The words in Red should but what the others thought/said was affected by that particular time and culture. I know this because I have asked the question many times and received the same answer. And because I am a 'Dixie Chick'--would not hesitate to say, 'Kiss my Grits...' and occasionally a lot more. shrug--If the military people can say, '****' and get out of the way---I can say it, too. In fact I have felt much better since I learned to say--'****'. Thank You, Right Nation. www.rightnation.net--I (broken link) think they are now. Started out in California--surfer/computer dude was sick and tired of Hollywood--created a forum to express his contempt--'Hollywood Halfwits' and rounded up a crew. Lots of military people --never will forgive Jane Fonda, George Clooney and the Gang.
For some strange reason some of them support Abercrombie and Fitch's advertising. Shrug--'They are a private company--they can do as they please'.
Cognitive dissonance finally got to me. Did some better at Sean Hannity 's forum but finally quit worrying about politics.
Not certain I will vote in this election either.
When Josh Groban decides to run for President I will be his Campaign Manager.
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