The Sacrament of Confession (traditions, Gospels, doctrine, woman)
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Clearly mandated by the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that believe it was an invention of the Catholic Church were betrayed by their ministers.
Here is the concise biblical mandate:
Starts here, read the bold:
Penance, confession, reconciliation.
Quote:
Matthew 16:19
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”
Quote:
John 20:21-23
21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them,“Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins [a]have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”
The significance of the breath is HUGE. This is to place emphasis on this act.
Quote:
2 Corinthians 5:18
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
Quote:
2 Corinthians 5:20
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Some say that the power given to the Apostles died with them. However, Jesus told the Apostles to make more disciples. And he told them:
Quote:
Matthew 28:19-20
19 [a]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Amazing stuff! Go there and make disciples. A clear mandate for apostolic succession. Just as Peter did with Mark who wrote one of the Gospels. And Jesus is with them till the end of time. This is the Holy Mother Catholic Church
Last edited by Julian658; 02-28-2014 at 11:27 AM..
Clearly mandated by the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that believe it was an invention of the Catholic Church betrayed by their ministers.
Here is the concise biblical mandate:
Starts here, read the bold:
Penance, confession, reconciliation.
The significance of the breath is HUGE. This is to place emphasis on this act.
Some say that the power given to the Apostles died with them. However, Jesus told the Apostles to make more disciples. And he told them:
Amazing stuff! Go there and make disciples. A clear mandate for apostolic succession. Just as Peter did with Mark who wrote one of the Gospels. And Jesus is with them till the end of time. This is the Holy Mother Catholic Church
We've been over this. Jesus never commanded his apostles to go and listen to confessions and forgiven the ones that people confessed. He never said their successors would do the same. He never said that they had the ability to arbitrarily forgive any sins.
What the text is saying is that the sins were forgiven already. What they are doing is proclaiming that. They are not forgiving anything.
You quoted Matthew 28:18 to suggest that them going and making disciples allowed their successors to forgive sins....so does that mean I can hear confessions and forgive sins, by your logic? I'm not Catholic..but I am a Christian who heard the Gospel from a Christian, who heard it from a Christian....etc...etc....
We've been over this. Jesus never commanded his apostles to go and listen to confessions and forgiven the ones that people confessed. He never said their successors would do the same. He never said that they had the ability to arbitrarily forgive any sins.
What the text is saying is that the sins were forgiven already. What they are doing is proclaiming that. They are not forgiving anything.
You quoted Matthew 28:18 to suggest that them going and making disciples allowed their successors to forgive sins....so does that mean I can hear confessions and forgive sins, by your logic? I'm not Catholic..but I am a Christian who heard the Gospel from a Christian, who heard it from a Christian....etc...etc....
And you never talk to your parishioners about their problems, right?
Clearly mandated by the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that believe it was an invention of the Catholic Church betrayed by their ministers.
Here is the concise biblical mandate:
Starts here, read the bold:
Penance, confession, reconciliation.
The significance of the breath is HUGE. This is to place emphasis on this act.
Some say that the power given to the Apostles died with them. However, Jesus told the Apostles to make more disciples. And he told them:
Amazing stuff! Go there and make disciples. A clear mandate for apostolic succession. Just as Peter did with Mark who wrote one of the Gospels. And Jesus is with them till the end of time. This is the Holy Mother Catholic Church
Dear Julian,
Yes the children of God can forgive sins, and can heal, and can proclaim the kingdom of God, and are brothers and do not call each other Father, teacher, or leader.(Mt 23:3-10) But the Catholic Church has no power, except intimidation, and the apostles, except probably John, are gone. (John 21:23) The power is delegated to those who do the will of God. This kind of excludes the "woman" who sits on the beast of Revelation 17. As for any "elect", who might still reside within Babylon the Great, they are urged to "come out" or suffer her plagues. (Rev 18:4)
How do you think the son of the father of lies got elected fraud in chief? He promised healing from their plagues. There will be no healing from their plagues from our present Muslim messiah. Neither the messiah Hussein, nor the church can forgive sins or heal the nation. They are a both a Stumbling-Block, who give false promises.
If Jesus died on the cross to bridge the gap between man and God, and if He is the only mediator between man and God, then it would stand to reason that we go to Him for forgiveness of sin. Priests are fellow human beings, not gods.
Clearly mandated by the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that believe it was an invention of the Catholic Church betrayed by their ministers.
Here is the concise biblical mandate:
Starts here, read the bold:
Penance, confession, reconciliation.
The significance of the breath is HUGE. This is to place emphasis on this act.
Some say that the power given to the Apostles died with them. However, Jesus told the Apostles to make more disciples. And he told them:
Amazing stuff! Go there and make disciples. A clear mandate for apostolic succession. Just as Peter did with Mark who wrote one of the Gospels. And Jesus is with them till the end of time. This is the Holy Mother Catholic Church
Jesus said: If you don't forgive others I won't forgive you - Matthew 6:12
- Every Christian has a "bar of soap" 1st John 1:9 - It is for every believer - It is not a sacrament- It is our daily duty!
Jesus told ALL BELIEVERS - Go spread the gospel - to every living creature on earth.
Jesus said - Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
EVERY WORD OF GOD: Is Profitable (NOTICE MAYBE or MIGHT is not included in this verse
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The Church is not a MOTHER ! That is blasphemy
The Church is the corporate body of Christ - He is the head.
Ye would be wise to believe what God says and avoid the traditions of men!
Jesus said: If you don't forgive others I won't forgive you - Matthew 6:12
- Every Christian has a "bar of soap" 1st John 1:9 - It is for every believer - It is not a sacrament- It is our daily duty!
Jesus told ALL BELIEVERS - Go spread the gospel - to every living creature on earth.
Jesus said - Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
EVERY WORD OF GOD: Is Profitable (NOTICE MAYBE or MIGHT is not included in this verse
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The Church is not a MOTHER ! That is blasphemy
The Church is the corporate body of Christ - He is the head.
Ye would be wise to believe what God says and avoid the traditions of men!
You say the bible is profitable for doctrine but conveniently ignore the verses I quoted.
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MAYBE or MIGHT is not included in this verse
