Was the apostle Paul right?

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

So, your earlier statement about Paul's mental state is, quite possibly, BS.

Not based on his alleged writings and sayings. Going by those, he's a miogynistic, xenophobic loonbat.

But, as I say, not a one of us has any clue what Paul ever truly said about anything, just like we can't know what Jesus actually said and did.

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by Griffis

Not based on his alleged writings and sayings. Going by those, he's a miogynistic, xenophobic loonbat.

But, as I say, not a one of us has any clue what Paul ever truly said about anything, just like we can't know what Jesus actually said and did.

So again, you dismiss Peter's words in support of Paul, but act as if Paul's words are true. You can't have it both ways.

[ancient warrior]

Paul had no problem with practicing deception if he thought that there was a good reason for doing so.


19 For though I am free with respect to all, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I might win more of them. 20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) so that I might win those under the law. 21To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law) so that I might win those outside the law. 22To the weak I became weak, so that I might win the weak.I have become all things to all people, so that I might by any means save some. 23I do it all for the sake of the gospel, so that I may share in its blessings. [1 Cor 9:19-23]

"But if through my falsehood God’s truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?" [ Paul Romans 3:7]

"I will only mention the Apostle Paul. ... He, then, if anyone, ought to be calumniated; we should speak thus to him: ‘The proofs which you have used against the Jews and against other heretics bear a different meaning in their own contexts to that which they bear in your Epistles. [St. Jerome, Epistle to Pammachus (xlviii, 13)]

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

Paul had no problem with practicing deception if he thought that there was a good reason for doing so.


"I will only mention the Apostle Paul. ... He, then, if anyone, ought to be calumniated; we should speak thus to him: ‘The proofs which you have used against the Jews and against other heretics bear a different meaning in their own contexts to that which they bear in your Epistles. [St. Jerome, Epistle to Pammachus (xlviii, 13)]

Well, as I have pointed olut before, the texts you have quoted here beara different meaning than what you have assigned to them.

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

So, your earlier statement about Paul's mental state is, quite possibly, BS.

Yes, as I stated. As is anyone's statement about pretty much ANYTHING in The Bible being factual.

That's because very huge swaths of it are either purely mythological, or have been translated beyond recognition. Yahweh is a figure of legend; not history.

However, anyone who does give weight to any of the alleged sayings/writings of Paul should be aware that IF they believe Paul actually believed the things he allegedly wrote, he was a misogynistic, overzealous loonybat.

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

So again, you dismiss Peter's words in support of Paul, but act as if Paul's words are true. You can't have it both ways.

Nor am I trying to "have it both ways." You have a serious deficit in reading comprehension, apparently.

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by Griffis

Yes, as I stated. As is anyone's statement about pretty much ANYTHING in The Bible being factual.

That's because very huge swaths of it are either purely mythological, or have been translated beyond recognition. Yahweh is a figure of legend; not history.

However, anyone who does give weight to any of the alleged sayings/writings of Paul should be aware that IF they believe Paul actually believed the things he allegedly wrote, he was a misogynistic, overzealous loonybat.

Wait, you added something while I was typing.

Could not the same weight be added to Peter's statement?

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Wait, you added something while I was typing.

Could not the same weight be added to Peter's statement?

As far as its historical veracity? Yes.

Look, I find most portions of The Bible incredibly majestic and wondrous; even some of the writings attributed to Paul. But I feel people put to much weight on the words themselves. I have seen and heard more times than I can count someone "quote" Jesus, but what they say are words attributed to Paul.

A lot of Christians I have known hold so much to the "Letter of the Law" supposedly laid down by Paul, and ignore the spirit of the things Jesus is said to have said and taught. It reminds me of the story of Jesus confronting the Pharisees and admonishing them for adhering so strictly to the law rather than the spirit.