Chicago - a Catholic city?

[the other one]

BTW, I think the less influence any religious institution has over the city is better for everybody. Nothing personal against Catholics.

[David Hammond]

Originally Posted by the other one

BTW, I think the less influence any religious institution has over the city is better for everybody. Nothing personal against Catholics.

Yeah but there you go, blaming the actions of total perverts on the "religion". You really must separate the two. Come on. No religion teaches that kind of conduct. Blame the perps, and lock'em up.

Having a negative opinion about something relating to the Catholic church does not make me "anti-catholic".

Sure, just like having a negative opinion about something relating to Jews won't get you called an "anti-semite". If you made a negative comment about Jews, you'd be banned from city-data so fast your head would spin. Why a double-standard then?

Why don't we do a test? "I have a negative opinion about Jews and their involvement in the pornography business."

Will this stand as long as the anti-Catholic comments will?

[the other one]

I have no issue with Catholics as a whole. I have an issue with the way the church has handled the situation. That does not make me "anti-catholic" If a Jewish guy murdered someone, and I felt he should go to prison, does that make me anti-semetic? I don't like things Mayor Daley has done. Am I also anti-chicago?
They have in a sense condoned the actions with the lack of consequences for people who have been guilty of doing whatever they're doing to the kids. I am not blaming the religion itself for what certain people have done. I know the religion doesn't teach such things. I am blaming the people in power for failing to act on information they have received from people who have admitted to being abused.

[David Hammond]

Well, why didn't the State of Illinois charge these rabbis and priests with criminal charges? Were they complicit too in covering for these men?

Lock them up, but kindly stop insinuating this is a "catholic" problem when it involves rabbis, social workers, coaches, teachers, and all other figures in authority positions.

[the other one]

Originally Posted by David Hammond

Well, why didn't the State of Illinois charge these rabbis and priests with criminal charges? Were they complicit too in covering for these men?

Lock them up, but kindly stop insinuating this is a "catholic" problem when it involves rabbis, social workers, coaches, teachers, and all other figures in authority positions.

Anyone who had knowledge of criminal activity and failed to act is at fault, be it the church or the state.
I am not implying it is limited to Catholics. Nowhere in any of my posts have I claimed or insinuated that child molestation is something exclusive to Catholics.

[aragx6]

It was church policy over and over again in many different states over dozens of years to do NOTHING about the abuses they KNEW were happening other than to move the priests to a different parish!

And it is a major reason why many people have left the Catholic church, to suggest otherwise is nonsensical.

That does not make someone anti-Catholic - but it's pretty fair to be VERY upset about what those in power did for many years. It's completely unacceptable.

[David Hammond]

Originally Posted by aragx6

It was church/JEWISH policy over and over again in many different states over dozens of years to do NOTHING about the abuses they KNEW were happening other than to move the RABBIS/priests to a different shul/parish!

Yes, unacceptable. That is why I am against ALL perverts, rabbis or otherwise, we should LOCK THEM ALL UP, click here, kindly let me know what you think:

Clergy Abuse: Rabbis, Cantors and Other Trusted Officials (http://theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.html#Clergy%20Abuse - broken link)

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by David Hammond

Yes, unacceptable. That is why I am against ALL perverts, rabbis or otherwise, we should LOCK THEM ALL UP, click here, kindly let me know what you think:

Clergy Abuse: Rabbis, Cantors and Other Trusted Officials (http://theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.html#Clergy%20Abuse - broken link)

I don't think anyone is debating that sexual abusers of any faith, position, or background should be locked up, and no one is claiming that it is a crime only committed by Catholic priests.

The issue people are discussing, and you seem intent on ignoring, is that the Catholic Church as an organization had a policy of hiding and protecting the abusers for decades. What do you think should be done to the people who KNEW this was happening and worked actively to hide it from social workers, police, and the public? Click here, here, here, here, or here. If you would like a few thousand other links a quick Google search should give you plenty of examples from around the world.

People are not saying that the problem is related to a person being Catholic, but the the problem is the Catholic Church as an organization spent millions of dollars and spared no effort to hide was what happening whenever it was discovered.