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Old 09-01-2021, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Originally Posted by Don Cuccino View Post
This is the hill you want to defend? A woman walking her toy dog after hours? Seriously? I could understand if it was some gangbangers car jacking someone or the lowlifes who jack rolled the dude in river north this weekend but this? Oh well. Guess we all have different priorities
I don't know what you're on about, but your comparison is off, is alls I'm saying.

 
Old 09-01-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Don Cuccino View Post
This is the hill you want to defend? A woman walking her toy dog after hours? Seriously? I could understand if it was some gangbangers car jacking someone or the lowlifes who jack rolled the dude in river north this weekend but this? Oh well. Guess we all have different priorities
The issue is not supporting our police when they are correctly doing their job...while reinforcing citizens to play the victim card instead of comply...snowballs into police feeling powerless and crime rising across all categories.

Take the Adam Toledo example (13 years old) and Ruben Roman (21 year old). At 230AM they are shooting a gun in Little Village. Police get called, they run, police chase and shoot Toledo less than a second after he drops a gun and turns that police bodycam footage shows him holding. The police are heroes right? Wrong. The police get blamed for excessive force and a new CPD policy is enacted not allowing officers to pursue a suspect that commits a misdemeanor unless the person poses an “obvious” threat to the community. You mean like...oh I don't know...SHOOTING A GUN IN LITTLE VILLAGE???

Adam Toledo all of the sudden becomes a victim. Mayor Lightfoot says we failed him. Citizens protest police "brutality". CPD receives no support. Family has or will file a lawsuit and get a multi-million dollar settlement making Toledo a "victim". And the circus continues...

Meanwhile if when I was 13 and shooting a gun on the streets of Chicago at 230AM and police chased and shot me out of fear for their life my parents would be sad but ultimately their reaction would be "play stupid games...win stupid prizes" and they would be apologizing to police and the city for the danger I caused shooting guns in the city.
 
Old 09-01-2021, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Good day,

I just perused on line, USA Today, posted an article, indicating the Officer has been placed on desk duty....
 
Old 09-01-2021, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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Originally Posted by dtcbnd03 View Post
The issue is not supporting our police when they are correctly doing their job...while reinforcing citizens to play the victim card instead of comply...snowballs into police feeling powerless and crime rising across all categories.

Take the Adam Toledo example (13 years old) and Ruben Roman (21 year old). At 230AM they are shooting a gun in Little Village. Police get called, they run, police chase and shoot Toledo less than a second after he drops a gun and turns that police bodycam footage shows him holding. The police are heroes right? Wrong. The police get blamed for excessive force and a new CPD policy is enacted not allowing officers to pursue a suspect that commits a misdemeanor unless the person poses an “obvious” threat to the community. You mean like...oh I don't know...SHOOTING A GUN IN LITTLE VILLAGE???

Adam Toledo all of the sudden becomes a victim. Mayor Lightfoot says we failed him. Citizens protest police "brutality". CPD receives no support. Family has or will file a lawsuit and get a multi-million dollar settlement making Toledo a "victim". And the circus continues...

Meanwhile if when I was 13 and shooting a gun on the streets of Chicago at 230AM and police chased and shot me out of fear for their life my parents would be sad but ultimately their reaction would be "play stupid games...win stupid prizes" and they would be apologizing to police and the city for the danger I caused shooting guns in the city.
Pretty much this. No one, most of all good cops, want bad cops on the street. Those officers should be removed. But we should support officers who did their best under difficult circumstances. I believe the above situation was one of them.

Note how the Toledo story pretty much died after the initial uproar. My quick google search shows nothing of substance written on the matter since April 19, 2021. So apparently, the media does not think it fits the narrative either. Yet the officer was, albeit temporarily, crucified. That's got to change.
 
Old 09-01-2021, 10:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by dtcbnd03 View Post
The issue is not supporting our police when they are correctly doing their job...while reinforcing citizens to play the victim card instead of comply...snowballs into police feeling powerless and crime rising across all categories.

Take the Adam Toledo example (13 years old) and Ruben Roman (21 year old). At 230AM they are shooting a gun in Little Village. Police get called, they run, police chase and shoot Toledo less than a second after he drops a gun and turns that police bodycam footage shows him holding. The police are heroes right? Wrong. The police get blamed for excessive force and a new CPD policy is enacted not allowing officers to pursue a suspect that commits a misdemeanor unless the person poses an “obvious” threat to the community. You mean like...oh I don't know...SHOOTING A GUN IN LITTLE VILLAGE???

Adam Toledo all of the sudden becomes a victim. Mayor Lightfoot says we failed him. Citizens protest police "brutality". CPD receives no support. Family has or will file a lawsuit and get a multi-million dollar settlement making Toledo a "victim". And the circus continues...

Meanwhile if when I was 13 and shooting a gun on the streets of Chicago at 230AM and police chased and shot me out of fear for their life my parents would be sad but ultimately their reaction would be "play stupid games...win stupid prizes" and they would be apologizing to police and the city for the danger I caused shooting guns in the city.
Comparing gangbangers shooting to a woman walking her toy dog after hours is a bit of a stretch. Lightfoot is right, Toledo was failed by many people. 13 year old thugs arent born they are made and it was more than one person that had a hand in that.
 
Old 09-01-2021, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Anyone who expects monumental patience and utmost professionalism from a cop when he's dealing with a total a-hole, you're either naive or intellectually dishonest.

Go to a restaurant with that same expectation, and treat the waitstaff with utter contempt, just be a total prick to them. When that plate of food arrives, how confident would you be it's 100% free of some body fluid? Go ahead, take a bite.
 
Old 09-01-2021, 11:37 AM
 
Location: northwest valley, az
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Anyone who expects monumental patience and utmost professionalism from a cop when he's dealing with a total a-hole, you're either naive or intellectually dishonest.

Go to a restaurant with that same expectation, and treat the waitstaff with utter contempt, just be a total prick to them. When that plate of food arrives, how confident would you be it's 100% free of some body fluid? Go ahead, take a bite.
bingo, we have a winner..

people in chiraq feel emboldened now to insult, harass, and disrespect everyone, from strangers walking by,(witness the sheetstorm posted a few posts up)to the police who are mostly trying to keep the city from exploding in crime

yea, the chick walking her dog was just another victim of police brutality, racial profiling, what ever the snowflakes scream when someone confronts them for being a jerk..

Laughable...
 
Old 09-01-2021, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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Originally Posted by Don Cuccino View Post
Comparing gangbangers shooting to a woman walking her toy dog after hours is a bit of a stretch. Lightfoot is right, Toledo was failed by many people. 13 year old thugs arent born they are made and it was more than one person that had a hand in that.
Absolutely. Starting with the family, and the so-called adult who was with him, and the gangbangers who were using him as a shortie if that was the case. It's a systemic problem, and not in the way that term is being used today .

As to the woman and her small dog. I agree that looks terrible. We should of course wait for the investigation result but I cannot see how that officer's response could have been justified, unless she said something like "I've got a gun on me and I'm going to kill you," and he reasonably believed that could be true. I don't care if she was MF'ing him the whole way. There was no reason to do it, especially in this climate. Things like this drive good cops crazy.
 
Old 09-01-2021, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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bingo, we have a winner..

people in chiraq feel emboldened now to insult, harass, and disrespect everyone, from strangers walking by,(witness the sheetstorm posted a few posts up)to the police who are mostly trying to keep the city from exploding in crime

yea, the chick walking her dog was just another victim of police brutality, racial profiling, what ever the snowflakes scream when someone confronts them for being a jerk..

Laughable...
She may or may not been insulting him but unfortunately when you're an officer that comes with the territory. Always has, though it's elevated now true. Waiting for more facts but insults wouldn't make this justifiable.
 
Old 09-01-2021, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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She may or may not been insulting him but unfortunately when you're an officer that comes with the territory. Always has, though it's elevated now true. Waiting for more facts but insults wouldn't make this justifiable.
She's not compliant with directions to clear the park, that's the long and short of it. He told her to leave, he's out there shooing her along, she keeps stopping, screwing with her phone, all that.
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