what down south city would be most similar to chicago?? (Evanston: apartments, house)

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

I'd say more of an Appalachian vibe, actually. I'd lump it in more with Cincinnati. More of a backwoods feel than the more historically cosmopolitan feel of the Mississippi River cities, IMO.

Since when is Cincinnati more backwoods than the "historically cosmopolitan" feel of the Mississippi River cities??

Do you know that Cincinnati was once the 5th largest city in the country, had the first baseball team, one of the oldest symphonies/art museums, etc. and has neighborhoods that structurally look closer to old NYC neighborhoods than anywhere else west of Appalachians.

While Cincinnati may have a large urban Appalachian population, it probably still has more in common with Milwaukee with its German heritage. It has the countries largest Oktoberfest.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Since when is Cincinnati more backwoods than the "historically cosmopolitan" feel of the Mississippi River cities??

Do you know that Cincinnati was once the 5th largest city in the country, had the first baseball team, one of the oldest symphonies/art museums, etc. and has neighborhoods that structurally look closer to old NYC neighborhoods than anywhere else west of Appalachians.

While Cincinnati may have a large urban Appalachian population, it probably still has more in common with Milwaukee with its German heritage. It has the countries largest Oktoberfest.

Sorry, I didn't mean backwoods in a derogatory way, though I realize now that it looks that way. I probably should have stuck with Appalachian. It has nothing to do with the size of the city or its sports teams, by the way. I was just stating how it feels to me. It's okay if it feels different than that to you.

[oldhousegirl]

As a Chicagoan living in the South, I feel quite comfortable in telling the OP as have others, that there is NO city in the South that compares to Chicago!!!

[Peter1948]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

I'd say more of an Appalachian vibe, actually. I'd lump it in more with Cincinnati. More of a backwoods feel than the more historically cosmopolitan feel of the Mississippi River cities, IMO.

Appalachian? Sorry, but you are just dead wrong here. If you have been to Louisville, it hasn't been in awhile Also, your choice of the word Appalachia is just way off both geographically and culturally. Maybe you can apply that word to Lexington, a smaller city to east, but that is even a stretch. Cincinnati Appalachian? Post that on the Ohio boards and see what they say

And how is Memphis cosmopolitan compared to Louisville? Note that Louisville is actually bigger than NOLA (although we know NOLA packs probably the most vibrancy and nightlife of any city its size in the US)...

41 Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA 1,325,605 1,316,100 +0.72%
42 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN MSA 1,294,849 1,283,566 +0.88% Louisville/Jefferson County–Elizabethtown–Scottsburg, KY-IN CSA
43 Oklahoma City, OK MSA 1,278,053 1,252,987 +2.00% Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA
44 Richmond, VA MSA 1,269,380 1,258,251 +0.88%
45 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA 1,213,255 1,212,381 +0.07% Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT CSA
46 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA MSA 1,191,089 1,167,764 +2.00% N

[Peter1948]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Since when is Cincinnati more backwoods than the "historically cosmopolitan" feel of the Mississippi River cities??

Do you know that Cincinnati was once the 5th largest city in the country, had the first baseball team, one of the oldest symphonies/art museums, etc. and has neighborhoods that structurally look closer to old NYC neighborhoods than anywhere else west of Appalachians.



While Cincinnati may have a large urban Appalachian population, it probably still has more in common with Milwaukee with its German heritage. It has the countries largest Oktoberfest.

The same for Louisville...Irish and German heritage, it was the 10th or 12th largest city. It had one of the original pro baseball teams in the national league, just like Cincy.

Take a quick, ten second look at some of the city's urban nabes. Do they look, feel or sound, Appalachian?

Discover | New2Lou


I am starting to think that Cincinnati and Louisville are the two most misunderstood cities in the US. I think you can thrown Detroit and STL in the mix for being misunderstood.

[LILRAZORHOG]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

I know. I Actually like big Southern cities, and there are certian things that I actually like about them even more than Chicago most notably natural forested parks/neighborhoods right in the middle of the action of the urban core (Piedmont Park, Atlanta, Memorial Park, Houston (Chicagoland only has natural forest in the suburbs) as well as a larger classy/affluent minority population (more options for neighborhoods that are both nice/safe AND diverse).

But when people think that Southern cities are safer and have less crime than Chicago, I'm like huh?? If anything crime problems are more widespread in southern cities than in Chicago. Its not did they NOT do any research on Memphis, New Orleans, even Atlanta, etc? And while they may have southern cooking in many places, the cities are just that . . . cities. Its not some 21st century version of gone with the wind. Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston, are just southern versions of cosmopolitan cities.

Yup. Cities are cities no matter where they are. As an african american from up north the OP needs to understand that there are still remnants of the old south that are part of the culture in the new south.

[mjtinmemphis]

There is no southern Chicago. St. Louis is a big city version of a small town but not southern by any stretch. Atlanta is too too suburban but has a lot of stuff due to its metro size. Nashville and Charlotte are nice but not urban at all and just too small. Louisville is about the only city that is southern with a touch of urban flavor. Actually feels like a smaller St. Louis to me.

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by LILRAZORHOG

Yup. Cities are cities no matter where they are. As an african american from up north the OP needs to understand that there are still remnants of the old south that are part of the culture in the new south.

There are remnants of old south in Midwest too. Look at the segregation index of Chicago and how it effects the mentality of people who "never get off the block". The south has its fair share of "stuff" and so does the north or Midwest.

[bellhead]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

The same for Louisville...Irish and German heritage, it was the 10th or 12th largest city. It had one of the original pro baseball teams in the national league, just like Cincy.

Take a quick, ten second look at some of the city's urban nabes. Do they look, feel or sound, Appalachian?

Discover | New2Lou


I am starting to think that Cincinnati and Louisville are the two most misunderstood cities in the US. I think you can thrown Detroit and STL in the mix for being misunderstood.

Cincinnati is an extremely white collar city...

The biggest employers in the City are..

Proctor and Gamble with about 37k
University of Cincinnati 15k..
University Hospital 24k
General Electric Aircraft Engines over 10k engineers, It's where GE does all engine design and testing.
Kroger Company
U.S Headquarters for several fortune 500's..
Plus several Banks and Great American Insurance.

[Chicago76]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

The same for Louisville...Irish and German heritage, it was the 10th or 12th largest city. It had one of the original pro baseball teams in the national league, just like Cincy.

Take a quick, ten second look at some of the city's urban nabes. Do they look, feel or sound, Appalachian?

Discover | New2Lou


I am starting to think that Cincinnati and Louisville are the two most misunderstood cities in the US. I think you can thrown Detroit and STL in the mix for being misunderstood.

I don't think anyone is denying the German origin of Cincinnati, but you are way off the mark in terms of Appalachian influence. As a percentage of its population, it drew more from Appalachia than any other major city in the country. It is home to the UAC, which notes that 1 in 4 Cincinnatians have roots in Appalachia About Urban Appalchians in Cincinnati | Urban Appalachian Council

One of those German sounding neighborhoods (OTR was majority Appalachian until the early 80s). A lot of the city still is: http://socialareasofcincinnati.org/r...es/Figure6.gif Cincy is also home to the largest festival in the country celebrating Appalachian culture. Put it all together and ask yourself, "How is that not an identifiable influence?"



This is not an insignificant influence.