America's Best Hipster Neighborhoods (Chicago: buying, college, property taxes)

[jwaiter]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

Not wrong at all, just incomplete. But not as incomplete as your understanding of the counterculture and the Grateful Dead's role, clearly.

If you read the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test than you understand that Ken Kesey & the Merry Pranksters included beatniks like Neal Cassady, who spent lots of time hanging out with the Grateful Dead, and Owsley as cranking out the LSD that spread the scene like wildfire.

Owsley funded the Grateful Dead, who were essentially the "house band" of the counterculture.

The Grateful Dead were basically the ambassadors, taking the counterculture to every state in America and around the world.

Not to mention the Dead and every other "hep cat" worth their salt was taking cues from the truly-hip black jazz scene.

For your utter blasphemies regarding the anti-establishment movement as a whole I sentence you to 2 Burning Man festivals and a national Rainbow Gathering, where you must hang out with the "A Camp" freaks.

Stop acting like you're the teacher and I'm the grasshopper, I'm willing to bet my knowledge of and my life in the counterculture trumps your knowledge and (?) experience, if you even have any.

The Dead were not a world wide phenomena in the 60's - they were not the "house band of the counter culture" - that's absurd. The counterculture was as much a Paris/London/world wide thing and the Dead were not known outside the US. It seems our major bone is how important were the Dead to the counterculture, you basically said the torch was passed from Beats->Deadheads, you admit that is "incomplete" in your own words, but "incomplete" is just another word for wrong, and it is wrong. The french Situationists and the rest of the world were not listening to the Dead, at all. The counter culture is a world wide movement that the Dead, in the birds eye view, are but a footnote, certainly the movement could have survived without them. The Deads first step on euro soil was 72.

[Drover]

. . . and in conclusion, Forbe's list is predictably absurd like most of their other lists.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by Drover

. . . and in conclusion, Forbe's list is predictably absurd like most of their other lists.

I know someone in NYC who claims to know people who write for Forbes. He says they just sit down and make things up.

[Toroid]

Originally Posted by Link N. Parker

The thing is, the artists etc that make a neighborhood 'hip" usually do such a good job of making it an interesting place, that others start to want to live there. This eventually leads to rising rents, due to many people wanting to move in an be part of the music/art/social "scene" that the hipsters created. This is both good and bad for the neighborhood.

The good is that the neighborhood begins to thrive, and the people who move there discover there is life outside of the automobile. They learn to become hipsters themselves, and learn to appreciate art more, and learn how to eat locally and organically.

The bad is that some of these people bring their douchebag tendencies with them, and this can "sterilize" as area, or irritate the hipsters that are there.

The main problem (to the hipster) is that this pushes him/her out of the neighborhood and forced to find cheaper housing elsewhere. But hipsters (I prefer the term "urbanist", myself) prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and have some sort of european charm; there are few neighborhoods in the US that meet that requirement. One of the last places for hipsters to go now is Pilsen. Once that place completely gets taken over, the yuppies will arrive and then there will be no more quaint walkable european-esque neighborhoods in CHI to move to.

I did notice that Austin's East Side is listed as hip, and I saw that when I visited that city a few weeks ago. But something that Forbes did not list, were hipster/urbanist enclaves outside the US...Vancouver, Toronto, and especially MONTREAL, are hipster areas. Montreal's Mile End makes Wicker Park look like a pukey imitator.

In my recent travels, I also noticed that there are significant hipster populations in Dallas (M-Streets/Deep Ellum areas) and also in Albuquerque.

You're trolling right?

Urbanist?

Really?

You're trolling right?

[rparz]

Originally Posted by andrew61

I know someone in NYC who claims to know people who write for Forbes. He says they just sit down and make things up.

I heard from a guy that knows a guy....

For real? This is an article in a financial mag. Who in the world really knows the intricacies of hipsterdom across every major metropolitan area?
They did a pretty good job, considering a broad-stroked brush.

Even Chicago, calling Wicker hipster isn't all that far off. Granted, I'd call Logan or Avondale more hipster than Wicker resident-wise. But guess what el stop they get off at to socialize and interact? It starts with a D and isn't Belmont or Logan.
Hell, even the suburban transplant hipsters drive from whatever godforsaken suburb they live in to go hang out at Big Star and Debonair.

I live in Oakland now, and from what I've seen on 'First Fridays' they've nailed it with Uptown.


I guess what I'm saying is that while yes, hipsters can be found elsewhere, I'd still call Wicker more of a hipster heaven than Pilsen, Logan, or Avondale. Those areas are where hipsters live, but I'd still classify them as more of a working-class Mexican neighborhood.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Toroid

You're trolling right?

Urbanist?

Really?

You're trolling right?

Urbanist a far more meaningful and less derogatory term than "hipster," and is commonly used enough that it's rather bizarre to accuse someone of trolling for merely mentioning it, don't you think?

[Asheville1]

How do hipsters feel about the name? I know of them, can identify them, but not cool enough to hang with them. When I go into the West End Bakery here in West Asheville, they all move away from me. I'm a child of the 60's, I was in SFO. I feel like Arlo Guthrie on the Group W Bench. It cracks me up. I wanna say, "Hey, you aren't doing anything new". Or are they"? And by the way, some need to be introduced to soap and deoderant.

It's hard to imagine Steve Forbes as President. If the magazine that bears his name is any example, he needs to find another gig. Now, his dad was hip. No doubt about that. I'm gonna name my next dog Malcom and put Asheville on the Hipster list. At the very least, it's a cool place.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by jwaiter

Stop acting like you're the teacher and I'm the grasshopper, I'm willing to bet my knowledge of and my life in the counterculture trumps your knowledge and (?) experience, if you even have any.

The Dead were not a world wide phenomena in the 60's - they were not the "house band of the counter culture" - that's absurd. The counterculture was as much a Paris/London/world wide thing and the Dead were not known outside the US. It seems our major bone is how important were the Dead to the counterculture, you basically said the torch was passed from Beats->Deadheads, you admit that is "incomplete" in your own words, but "incomplete" is just another word for wrong, and it is wrong. The french Situationists and the rest of the world were not listening to the Dead, at all. The counter culture is a world wide movement that the Dead, in the birds eye view, are but a footnote, certainly the movement could have survived without them. The Deads first step on euro soil was 72.

I'll see you and raise, you don't have a clue wtf you're talking about. Come on smart guy, tell us all about this extensive counterculture experience you have, you don't have to like the Dead to respect their influence or understand their role, they played all over the world you rube.

Incomplete is not another word for wrong, for starters. You do understand the importance of California and San Francisco to the counterculture, right?

[quigboto]

Originally Posted by Asheville1

How do hipsters feel about the name? I know of them, can identify them, but not cool enough to hang with them. When I go into the West End Bakery here in West Asheville, they all move away from me. I'm a child of the 60's, I was in SFO. I feel like Arlo Guthrie on the Group W Bench. It cracks me up. I wanna say, "Hey, you aren't doing anything new". Or are they"? And by the way, some need to be introduced to soap and deoderant.

My experience with hipsters is pretty much the opposite. I have many friends whom I would consider hipsters, even though I'm quite a bit older than most of them. I don't find them, in general, to be unapproachable or unfriendly to those outside of their crowd or scene (or whatever you want to call it)

BTW, I have never met a hipster who actually self identifies as a hipster.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

Woot!

I'll just say that being named as hip by Forbes is pretty much the surest indication of UNhipness possible.

Agreed. Not sure this is an honor I'd want. How bourgeoisie.