10-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Location: Cornelius, NC
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I don't believe the salary info on Glassdoor.com. It looks too low. I've seen salary numbers that blow my mind but can't tell if they are legit. Right now I'm making $70K with good benefits and a bonus. I know there has to be people around my age and experience level (26 and 5 years but only 1 at the prop trading firm) that are making six figures if not more. I definitely low-balled on the salary and was doing it because I really wanted to move here and came from a lower COL city. It's still decent though but I want to make more. I know my employer thinks I'm good and that I will get a raise and good bonus. The problem is that my immediate boss isn't able to give me a raise right away and those decisions are only made by the higher ups. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make more money especially if I know other people in my field are making six figures or more. I want to get rich. Anyone here know the trading field? Where should I network?
10-16-2011, 04:53 PM
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I don't blame you but if you are 26 years old you are making quite a bit of money. You are lucky to have the job you have. Also its not always good to be one of the highest paid people at a firm or in a job area. After some time, they may decide you are not worth it and will hire someone five years younger and with less experience and pay them less to do you job. I've seen it happen many times over.
10-16-2011, 05:20 PM
Location: Cornelius, NC
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I don't blame you but if you are 26 years old you are making quite a bit of money. You are lucky to have the job you have. Also its not always good to be one of the highest paid people at a firm or in a job area. After some time, they may decide you are not worth it and will hire someone five years younger and with less experience and pay them less to do you job. I've seen it happen many times over.
Yeah but if you're really, really good at the job, loyal, and a team player then why would they ever get rid of you? I know there are people in these places that are making 2 times more money than me and they are probably the same age as me. I don't if it's legit ... but this job ad made my jaw drop so hard:
New York/Chicago - "Extremely well Funded" High Frequency trading Fund - Software Engineers/Researchers/Strategists - $400k+ recruitment - Hedge Funds careers in the USA (http://jobs.efinancialcareers.com/job-4000000000891095.htm - broken link)
If it's legit, then I could easily be able to get a sizable bump in salary if I can really show them I am worth that much.
10-16-2011, 05:49 PM
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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Yeah but if you're really, really good at the job, loyal, and a team player then why would they ever get rid of you?
Oh man - you are so young. Wait until you get to director level at some company and then go back and read this. Priceless.
10-16-2011, 07:14 PM
Location: River North, Chicago, Illinois
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That's a substantial "if." If it was easy to do, every software engineer would do it and earn that much. As it is, only a tiny fraction of engineers are able to do it and it's nothing to be ashamed of to not be part of that tiny fraction.
It takes not just technical software expertise, but also technical financial expertise, and requires particular personality characteristics that are somewhat rare among the general population. The combination of those three traits is why it's rare and why the few who can combine them can make so much.
If you want to earn $400k/year, you'd honestly have a better shot at it by enrolling in medical school.
10-16-2011, 07:19 PM
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Yeah but if you're really, really good at the job, loyal, and a team player then why would they ever get rid of you? I know there are people in these places that are making 2 times more money than me and they are probably the same age as me. I don't if it's legit ... but this job ad made my jaw drop so hard:New York/Chicago - "Extremely well Funded" High Frequency trading Fund - Software Engineers/Researchers/Strategists - $400k+ recruitment - Hedge Funds careers in the USA (http://jobs.efinancialcareers.com/job-4000000000891095.htm - broken link)
My firm doesn't specialize in Prop Trading, so im not an expert, but $400K is not the norm for the position. At most, top 15-20% of guys are making that kind of money as a Software Engineer.
$70K seems to be near the lower end of the average, but still quite well for 26. Looking for a pay raise is a good idea, but 400K is a long shot, imo.
10-16-2011, 08:04 PM
Location: Cornelius, NC
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Here's what I think about all of this ... I still don't believe anyone here. I know how these types of people operate. They take advantage of the fact that everyone else thinks they are only making a little more but in reality a lot of people who don't deserve the salary have it and they got it somehow. Whether it was because they had a buddy who was starting up a hedge fund somewhere and trusted him even know he wasn't the biggest rockstar programmer in the world. Maybe it's because he really is just that damn good for his age and he was able to get multiple offers from multiple firms at the same time and arbitrage the offers to a point where he was a good $50K ahead of his crowd. Salaries are all screwed up at these places and they vary widely. You can see it on Glassdoor.
10-17-2011, 07:17 AM
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Here's what I think about all of this ... I still don't believe anyone here. I know how these types of people operate. They take advantage of the fact that everyone else thinks they are only making a little more but in reality a lot of people who don't deserve the salary have it and they got it somehow. Whether it was because they had a buddy who was starting up a hedge fund somewhere and trusted him even know he wasn't the biggest rockstar programmer in the world. Maybe it's because he really is just that damn good for his age and he was able to get multiple offers from multiple firms at the same time and arbitrage the offers to a point where he was a good $50K ahead of his crowd. Salaries are all screwed up at these places and they vary widely. You can see it on Glassdoor.
I know of one HFT firm here that have paid obscene amounts (800k+) of money for developers, but these are guys with degrees from MIT and 10 years of Goldman under their belts and a lot of quant knowledge.
It really comes down to how good you are to be frank. A lot of these guys just aren't programmers, they are very brilliant guys with PHDs in physics that are great with anything technical/math oriented. If you aren't that, then a realistic salary at your level is probably more like 100k. If you get a lot of trading-specific experience under your belt then 150k-200k is doable from what I've seen.
On a side note, do you work at Peak6? If so they generally don't seem to pay anything extraordinary like some of the other shops which might also be part of the problem.
10-17-2011, 02:04 PM
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It is pretty clear that ad is looking for a PhD Quant.
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I used to work for an elite Chicago prop trading firm. Our college hires got a base of $100K but made a lot more after bonus. These were usually top computer science/math/physics students from the best colleges: Harvard/mit/Stanford/Princeton. Bonuses can vary wildly, and it was dependent on not just individual performance but also that of the group and the firm as a whole. It was not uncommon for 25-26 year olds to make $500K+ including bonus.
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People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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