02-20-2011, 06:41 PM
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My fiancee and I went to the Borders on Kedzie (Jersey) and Lincoln today. Parking was an absolute bear, and it was a madhouse inside. Strangely, most of the kids stuff looked ransacked. I wonder why that was first to go.
Everything else looked fairly stocked still. I was going to pick up some CDs, but they were still super expensive, even after 20% off. Maybe they'll go down in price as the weeks go by?
Anyways, my fiancee found some good 40% off books. Maybe we'll see whats left in the coming weeks.
You're one of those emotionless shoppers excited about the discount and not even caring the place is going out of business. You can't even get a drink in the cafe anymore and books weren't put away and were scattered everywhere. It was a terrible sight and it pissed me off that people had no respect.
02-20-2011, 07:27 PM
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What the hell made you think that?!?! I saw on HLN (Channel 56) where the mayors of Olympia Fields and Matteson had to fight tooth and nail just to bring them to Matteson. Borders didn't even want to come to the south suburbs so the mayors accused them of being racist since Matteson is mostly black in order to bring them in. I am sure they (Borders) are happy as can be by closing the Matteson location. My only concern is what will fill in the gap? You already loss Linens and Things. At least the LnT's in NW Indiana was replaced with a Bed Bath & Beyond. Even River Oaks has one. I honestly feel that Matteson will no longer be the major retail area it once was in the 70-80's. All the stores have since moved over to Orland Park, Homewood or just closed all together. Lincoln Mall might as well close and be torn down. It's a shame because of all the shopping areas in the south suburbs, Matteson always looked better IMO.
Oh come on now. Let's not turn border's bookstore filing chapter 11 into another opportunity to bash the far southern suburbs. Matteson's borders store closing is no different than the Norridge, Evanston, Mount Prospect, Deerfield, Bolingbrook, St. Charles, Crystal Lake, McHenry, DeKalb, and the Merrillville borders store also closing. I personally do not feel that this is a case of redlining at all. They are in chapter 11 and are closing most of there stores, it's as simple as that. The borders store is a very nice retail location and some other retailer will surely fill in there eventually. Overall, matteson has done a really good job attracting and retaining new retail to the area in recent years. Ending two decades of major racial redlining in the area by corporate retailers. Sometimes you take 4 steps forward and then slip one step back.
Matteson's population has grown by an astonishing 47 percent since year 2000. Matteson just by the sheer percent of growth of middle class residents is a desirable location for future retail growth. There is something that is being built accross the street from borders in the applebees parking lot as we speak. Not sure if it has been announced who the tenants are going to be.
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02-20-2011, 07:55 PM
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It seems as if stores in Matteson went down a notch. You had T.J.Maxx, guess what? It ran to Homewood. What came in it's place? A.J.Wright. You also had a JoeAnn Fabrics. Where did go? To Homewood. What came in it's place? Where's Pier1 Imports? What opened in the old Value City and Cubs Food stores? Exactly.
Value city was another national retailer that went bankrupt. There are no more cub foods grocery stores in illinois. The company closed most of it's stores and sold the rest to shop and save. You are talking about ancient history. There was major racial redlining in matteson and most of the retailers had moved out. The past 5-10 years, matteson has done nothing but improve. Matteson's population has grown 47 percent since year 2000. Matteson looks better than ever for the most part and has done a good job of retaining retail.
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02-20-2011, 08:19 PM
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What the hell made you think that?!?! I saw on HLN (Channel 56) where the mayors of Olympia Fields and Matteson had to fight tooth and nail just to bring them to Matteson. Borders didn't even want to come to the south suburbs so the mayors accused them of being racist since Matteson is mostly black in order to bring them in. I am sure they (Borders) are happy as can be by closing the Matteson location. My only concern is what will fill in the gap? You already loss Linens and Things. At least the LnT's in NW Indiana was replaced with a Bed Bath & Beyond. Even River Oaks has one. I honestly feel that Matteson will no longer be the major retail area it once was in the 70-80's. All the stores have since moved over to Orland Park, Homewood or just closed all together. Lincoln Mall might as well close and be torn down. It's a shame because of all the shopping areas in the south suburbs, Matteson always looked better IMO.
Wonder if they wanted to go into Uptown at all as well and if its happy to be out of there...
02-20-2011, 08:30 PM
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Matteson's borders store closing is no different than the Norridge, Evanston, Mount Prospect, Deerfield, Bolingbrook, St. Charles, Crystal Lake, McHenry, DeKalb, and the Merrillville borders store also closing.
Don't forget about the Borders in Hyde Park. It's closing too.
02-20-2011, 08:35 PM
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That's not the point I was trying to establish. The point is, what replaced those stores when the closed? Also, I'm not saying Matteson is a bad town to live in, I'm just stating that the retail in the town is not as great as it once was. There are lots of places that are nice but the retail in the town is crap. Infact, I heard a group of teens (playfully) making fun of another kid because he still shops at Lincoln Mall and doesn't go to Orland, or Southlake. Now does that show you what I am talking about?
I am not saying there isn't some lack of retail still remaining in matteson from experiencing over a decade of racial redlining. As you mentioned lincoln mall is a good example. Part of lincoln mall has been torn down, and redeveloped as stand alone stores. JCPenney seems to be doing very well as a stand alone store. Lincoln mall does not have everything that river oaks has. But, I shop at lincoln mall and am not at all embarrassed to say it. Sure I like to shop more higher end stores downtown at water tower place ocassionally. But, the Carson's in lincoln mall has very nice clothes and beats driving 25 minutes to river oaks all of the time. My fiancee always is at the new JCPenney. By the way Azizi Books in lincoln mall I believe will be the only bookstore in matteson after borders closes.
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02-20-2011, 08:37 PM
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I am not saying there isn't some lack of retail still remaining in matteson from over a decade of racial redlining. As you mentioned lincoln mall is a good example. Part of lincoln mall has been torn down, and redeveloped as stand alone stores. JCPenney seems to be doing very well as a stand alone store.
Sears in Lincoln Mall does well too. The entire mall is packed around Christmas time. There are several expensive jewelry stores in Lincoln Mall for some reason.
02-20-2011, 08:37 PM
Location: Berwyn, IL
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You're one of those emotionless shoppers excited about the discount and not even caring the place is going out of business. You can't even get a drink in the cafe anymore and books weren't put away and were scattered everywhere. It was a terrible sight and it pissed me off that people had no respect.
Go ahead and shake an angry fist and cry into your beer. Life is hard, and it sucks.
It's not my job to care about corporate entities. They took a gamble and they lost. It's the same thing with the business with whom I am employed. If they make bad decisions that come back to haunt them, they could close down and I'd lose my job. That's the way of the world. The fact is :
A) I don't buy books; I use Chicago Public Library. 90% of the time, I see purchase of a book as a waste of money. Same thing with DVDs.
B) creating clutter purposefully is disprectful, but having damn near one thousand people probably come through those doors over the weekend will probably lead to a ransacked look. It was probably best described as organized chaos.
FWIW, my fiancee and I patronize the Book Cellar in Lincoln Square. Borders is like a classic case of a corporation who opened too many stores during the boom years. See: Starbucks.
People forget that business is about turning profits. Maybe it starts off differently, but it is ultimately about the almighty dollar. Why would a business operate in an area where it costs more to keep the lights on than it even sells?
02-20-2011, 09:12 PM
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True, but guess what? The redevelopment was supposed to be a lot better than it turned out to be. A row of big box stores were planned to connect the Target and JCP. While parts of the mall were demolished, the remainder was planned to be upgraded and a new department store was suppose to open at the end of the new hallway. As you can see, none of that happend. However, if this same plan were for Orland or Southlake Malls, you'd be up to your knees with paper work from stores wanting to move in.
Again, not saying orland and southlake do not have more stores. They are also not located right next door to lincoln mall. It isn't a choice of one mall over the other. They are all located considerable distances from one another. I have never even been to southlake mall. And have shopped at orland maybe 5 times my entire life. I normally shop at lincoln mall, river oaks, downtown, and occasionally evergreen plaza.
The lincoln mall redevelopement looks good from what has actually been completed. There was construction equipment out there a couple of months ago doing something. Ground has been raised in several areas around the mall perimeter. I think it is safe to say the redevelopement at lincoln mall has not yet been completed.
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Yes but how will the area look once the outlet mall in CCH is open?
The country club hills outlet mall will be another great shopping option added to the area. I would love to see the outlet mall happen. But I don't think they have even broken ground on the outlet mall yet. Country club hills and matteson are both fairly close to my home in olympia fields. In matteson, the population has grown by 42 percent since 2000 and it only makes since that retailers want to be located there. I think with every new retailer the apprehension becomes less and less anyway.
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)