Finally Rolling Back Prop 47

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by colobound65

Yes I want consequences to committing a crime. If it’s an automatic 1 month per arrest word will get out and it will be a determent. You think people are more stupid than they really are.

No, it actually won't be a deterrent, they believe they won't get caught - that's what you don't understand about the mind of someone who breaks the law.

[colobound65]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

No, it actually won't be a deterrent, they believe they won't get caught - that's what you don't understand about the mind of someone who breaks the law.

Seeing videos of shoplifters they don’t care if they get caught because there’s no punishment. I’ve seen it myself at a drugstore. A shoplifter filled up his backpack and walked out with the employees just watching him. If someone might get fired or lose their kid if they commit a crime it might actually deter them from doing it in the first place.

Bleeding heart liberals are destroying a once great state that used to feel safe

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by colobound65

Seeing videos of shoplifters they don’t care if they get caught because there’s no punishment. I’ve seen it myself at a drugstore. A shoplifter filled up his backpack and walked out with the employees just watching him. If someone might get fired or lose their kid if they commit a crime it might actually deter them from doing it in the first place.

Bleeding heart liberals are destroying a once great state that used to feel safe

Again, you simply don’t get what’s being explained:
When a person loses their job and/or their kids for a petty crime, who pays for costs of law enforcement, prosecution, imprisonment, subsequent unemployment, welfare, and child services?

Taxpayers.

In waaay greater degree than the actual product dollar value lost to theft. It sucks. Any way you look at it. It sucks. And filling prisons with two-bit offenders just makes ‘terrible’ even *worse*.

Loss prevention is a tough challenge. Retailers have been trying to hand it off to police and prosecutors for years … while using it to excuse failing business practices.

Playing this off as a “bleeding heart liberals” failure is vastly failing to understand the scope of the issue. You can hate the thieving scum to the max and still understand the practical repercussions of misapplied enforcement. If you apply a little intellect to your thoughts.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by colobound65

Seeing videos of shoplifters they don’t care if they get caught because there’s no punishment. I’ve seen it myself at a drugstore. A shoplifter filled up his backpack and walked out with the employees just watching him. If someone might get fired or lose their kid if they commit a crime it might actually deter them from doing it in the first place.

Bleeding heart liberals are destroying a once great state that used to feel safe

There is a punishment, why you think otherwise is baffling. Shoplifting has largely been charged as a misdemeanor for decades. The penalty for shoplifting remains the same as before "The punishment for shoplifting can include a prison term up to six months in a county jail and a fine of up to $1,000" What has changed is the threshold for filing the case as a felony, that used to be $400, now it's $950 - but most shoplifting events don't even get close to exceeding $400 let alone $950

A store allowing a thief to leave is not a fault of the law, it's the fault of whoever made that decision in the store.

[colobound65]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Again, you simply don’t get what’s being explained:
When a person loses their job and/or their kids for a petty crime, who pays for costs of law enforcement, prosecution, imprisonment, subsequent unemployment, welfare, and child services?

Taxpayers.

In waaay greater degree than the actual product dollar value lost to theft. It sucks. Any way you look at it. It sucks. And filling prisons with two-bit offenders just makes ‘terrible’ even *worse*.

Loss prevention is a tough challenge. Retailers have been trying to hand it off to police and prosecutors for years … while using it to excuse failing business practices.

Playing this off as a “bleeding heart liberals” failure is vastly failing to understand the scope of the issue. You can hate the thieving scum to the max and still understand the practical repercussions of misapplied enforcement. If you apply a little intellect to your thoughts.

What’s simple to me is don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by colobound65

What’s simple to me is don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

In other words: *whoooooosh!*

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by colobound65

Seeing videos of shoplifters they don’t care if they get caught because there’s no punishment. I’ve seen it myself at a drugstore. A shoplifter filled up his backpack and walked out with the employees just watching him. If someone might get fired or lose their kid if they commit a crime it might actually deter them from doing it in the first place.

Bleeding heart liberals are destroying a once great state that used to feel safe

Really? Let's take a look at crime trends in California... "The property crime rate — the number of property crimes per 100,000 residents — was 2,314 in 2022, far below the peak of 6,881 in 1980. The violent crime rate was 495 per 100,000 in 2022, less than half the 1992 peak of 1,104." https://calbudgetcenter.org/resource...torical-peaks/

[Thekdog]

California cities are among the national leaders in property crime

Also complex to compare when crimes have been redefined or not changed at all in recent years

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Thekdog

California cities are among the national leaders in property crime

Although as of the end of 2022, there are several states that have higher property crime than California:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-us-by-state/

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Thekdog

California cities are among the national leaders in property crime

Also complex to compare when crimes have been redefined or not changed at all in recent years

no it's not - crimes are labeled "property" or "violent", nothing has been 'redefined'