Why so few non-Mesoamerican Hispanics in California? (Los Angeles, San Diego: how much, estimates)

[Dave Coe]

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Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I feel like there is an elephant in the room....the decline of foreign born Hispanics in LA and Chicago. That is pretty well due to the decline of foreign born Mexicans, but I feel the numbers need to be looked at. So, here are the foreign born Hispanic numbers between 2010-2020 for them:

Los Angeles
El Salvador: 8,035
Guatemala: 7,915
Honduras: 3,183
Venezuela: 1,260
Chile: 1,011

Mexico: -240,924



Riverside/San Bernardino
Guatemala: 5,109
Colombia: 4,030
El Salvador: 2,840
Peru: 1,982
Honduras: 1,211

Mexico: -4,462

[Always Needmore]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

Mexicans and Central Americans make up in overwhelming majority of California's Hispanics. Will this change in the future?


Mexicans 11,423,146 30.7%
Central Americans 1,132,520 3.0%

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South Americans 293,880 0.8%
Caribbeans 290,007 0.8%
Other Hispanic 874,166 2.3%

One thing you might be overlooking is that there have been mass migrations of political refugees seeking asylum from Central American countries such as El Salvador and Nicaragua.

Not that there have not been issues in South America as well, but by the very nature of being a refugee, resources often limited they flee to the easiest destination for relief. And South America has considerable land area offering options other than norte.

One other item, although it might not directly address your question, yet still has relevance. Ever since the treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo, there has been a segment of the Hispanic population that reports their heritage as "white" for perceived political advantage. I only add this to demonstrate that even the officially reported figures have some inherent distortion.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

Here is a breakdown of how proportional each group is within their Urban Areas.



Los Angeles
Mexico: 68.1%
Central American: 24.0%
South America: 5.2%
Hispanic Caribbean: 0.9%
Puerto Rico: 0.5%



San Diego
Mexico: 83.7%
Central America: 8.4%
South America: 5.0%
Puerto Rico: 1.4%
Hispanic Caribbean: 0.8%

Riverside/San Bernardino
Mexico: 82.8%
Central America: 11.0%
South America: 3.3%
Hispanic Caribbean: 0.7%
Puerto Rico: 0.6%



San Francisco
Mexico: 54.2%
Central America: 32.0%
South American: 11.9%
Puerto Rico: 1.1%
Caribbean Hispanic: 0.9%


San Jose
Mexico: 76.8%
Central America: 11.9%
South America: 9.6%
Puerto Rico: 1.1%
Caribbean Hispanic: 0.6%

Even SF's Latino population is more diverse than LA's.

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by NearFantastica

California has plenty of Portuguese, Spaniards, Chileans and Argentines as well. California in fact has more Chileans than Florida

True, but many of the Europeans have left. In my Portuguese family for example, my parents, my wife and I, a sister, and a brother have all moved to Washington, another brother moved to Oregon. Further out in the extended family I have relatives that left for Idaho, the Carolinas, Texas and New Zealand. When I was a kid my grandparents were on 88th Ave in Oakland, and East Oakland was almost all Portuguese. There was even a Portuguese market and radio station on E 14th a block or two over from 88th. Eventually they were all driven out to San Leandro, Hayward, Castro Valley or farther away by the crime, most gone by the 1980s.
There are still currently 350,000 left in the state, most in the Central Valley/Fresno, where the immigrants and their descendants have stayed.

https://abc30.com/azorean-immigratio...lley/10433742/

[sjnative]

If we’re talking about Californios in particular then we’re talking about people who were in CA prior- well prior to- 1850, so we’re talking about people who have been in the USA since CA attained US statehood.

So what has happened to them in the past 170+ years? My guess is that those people have since intermarried into and effectively disappeared into the more general Hispanic and white/Anglophone demographics, and their successors scattered around CA and the USA in general.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

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Originally Posted by As Above So Below... View Post
I feel like there is an elephant in the room....the decline of foreign born Hispanics in LA and Chicago. That is pretty well due to the decline of foreign born Mexicans, but I feel the numbers need to be looked at. So, here are the foreign born Hispanic numbers between 2010-2020 for them:

Los Angeles
El Salvador: 8,035
Guatemala: 7,915
Honduras: 3,183
Venezuela: 1,260
Chile: 1,011

Mexico: -240,924



Riverside/San Bernardino
Guatemala: 5,109
Colombia: 4,030
El Salvador: 2,840
Peru: 1,982
Honduras: 1,211

Mexico: -4,462

What explains Columbia becoming the 2nd main new immigrant group in the Inland Empire out of nowhere?

[Cabezablanca]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

What explains Columbia becoming the 2nd main new immigrant group in the Inland Empire out of nowhere?

I guess the word is out in South Carolina's capital that the IE is where it's at!

[Dave Coe]

countries like Venezuela and Colombia are experiencing rapid immigration rates. It would be interesting to see if the numbers would be enough to have any impact on California this decade.

[AFP]

Originally Posted by NearFantastica

California has plenty of Portuguese, Spaniards, Chileans and Argentines as well. California in fact has more Chileans than Florida

Portuguese people are not Hispanic.

[jvalens]

Nearly all the hispanics I know are Mexican, or Central American. I have only met a handful of South American and Caribbean hispanics.

Originally Posted by AFP

Portuguese people are not Hispanic.

They're not? But Portugal was part of Roman Hispania.