People are starting to see the light (San Jose, Gilroy: low income, apartment complexes)
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Phil Nicholas I drive past the Ohlone Chynoweth "affordable" housing and those apartments are nicer than where I live... and I pay taxes!!!! The easier things are on unskilled/unmotivated people the less incentive they have to bring themselves up in the world. A life of handouts (taken by force from the producers in society) never helps anyone in the long run. DOWN WITH THE ENTITLEMENT ECONOMY!
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Karl Rowley
The Mercury News can't stop pitching Redevelopment. They don't bother to mention that it has left the City of San Jose completely broke.
Also, if a city wants to spend money on affordable housing, why can't they just allocate money from their budget for it? Why does it have to come from Redevelopment? Come on Merc, please explain this to us.
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Joe Hunter I didn't move back here until I had a job where I could afford to live here, on my own. It isn't a right to live here. When I moved in to the apartment I could afford I had neighbors telling me all of the perks I could get (including lower rent, free utilities, etc.) if I made a certain amount, or under. All I could think was "so, that's where my tax dollars are going." Like · Reply · 44 minutes ago
Sally Ryan · Omaha, Nebraska $120 per month rent? Unbelievable. I bet the daughter and mom have never even contributed to the tax system. They take and take and take. In Home Support Services if paid for by our taxes. Will the redevelopment pay for my mortgage, medical insurance and my kids college expense, I bet not.
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Sally Ryan · Omaha, Nebraska
If these people can't afford to live in this area, they should move out of the state to a state where the cost of living is less, like Montana or Wyoming.
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Stephen Chen
I despise these affordable housing socialist programs. Why should I subsidize other people's housing?
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Mark Zappa · Gilroy, California
I was always against RDA's. Even if it is for all the wrong reasons, RDA's die and that is good.
Looks like some on Facebook don't quite understand how affordable housing works. A lot of these complexes charge rent based on income, in both directions. Some will not rent to those who not only make over a certain amount but also who don't make a certain amount. Many of these complexes have affordable rents but require a monthly income of at least 2 1/2 times the rent. It's not always a "handout" so to speak. To say that those who live in affordable housing don't pay taxes is idiotic. That may be true to SOME but most certainly not all. If we want to talk about paying taxes, why not attack the wealthy who often use their resources to avoid paying taxes altogether in some situations.
Looks like some on Facebook don't quite understand how affordable housing works. A lot of these complexes charge rent based on income, in both directions. Some will not rent to those who not only make over a certain amount but also who don't make a certain amount. Many of these complexes have affordable rents but require a monthly income of at least 2 1/2 times the rent. It's not always a "handout" so to speak. To say that those who live in affordable housing don't pay taxes is idiotic. That may be true to SOME but most certainly not all. If we want to talk about paying taxes, why not attack the wealthy who often use their resources to avoid paying taxes altogether in some situations.
How about we talk about them both ? Just because you found another problem doesn't mean that the first one that was pointed out doesn't exist or should be ignored. I think people understand how RDA and affordable housing works. It's not rocket science. As indicated by a hardworking person w/ sense in the comments :
Joe Hunter I didn't move back here until I had a job where I could afford to live here, on my own. It isn't a right to live here. When I moved in to the apartment I could afford I had neighbors telling me all of the perks I could get (including lower rent, free utilities, etc.) if I made a certain amount, or under. All I could think was "so, that's where my tax dollars are going."
So go ahead and go after the wealthy and watch more of their capital vanish overseas. But don't sit here and act like the incessant handouts at the bottom isn't an issue either. In general, this is why you should have low taxes ... So you can do what you want w/ your $$$ and not blame someone else/or depend on daddy govt to fix your failures/living conditions. As for the so called rich, if you don't want them to be rich anymore, stop buying all their junk that they take a profit margin on which you don't need. People go out and buy their junk w/ 20-100% profit margins like the end of the world is coming and then cry when they're broke and the producer is rich .. STOP CONSUMING junk then.
RDA's exists so that the elites and politicians could profit from it.
You can't show people the obvious... They just don't get it. Some cool guy in a suit gets on stage and sells them a beautiful story of helping the poor and they eat it up... They then get authorization to take more money from people via taxes and then redistribute it to the rich elites who own the apartment complexes, the land, the banks who will loan the capital, and the construction companies. You show people 1+1 and they still don't get it because the good ol' man in a suit told them it was good for society....
How about we talk about them both ? Just because you found another problem doesn't mean that the first one that was pointed out doesn't exist or should be ignored. I think people understand how RDA and affordable housing works. It's not rocket science. As indicated by a hardworking person w/ sense in the comments :
Joe Hunter I didn't move back here until I had a job where I could afford to live here, on my own. It isn't a right to live here. When I moved in to the apartment I could afford I had neighbors telling me all of the perks I could get (including lower rent, free utilities, etc.) if I made a certain amount, or under. All I could think was "so, that's where my tax dollars are going."
So go ahead and go after the wealthy and watch more of their capital vanish overseas. But don't sit here and act like the incessant handouts at the bottom isn't an issue either. In general, this is why you should have low taxes ... So you can do what you want w/ your $$$ and not blame someone else/or depend on daddy govt to fix your failures/living conditions. As for the so called rich, if you don't want them to be rich anymore, stop buying all their junk that they take a profit margin on which you don't need. People go out and buy their junk w/ 20-100% profit margins like the end of the world is coming and then cry when they're broke and the producer is rich .. STOP CONSUMING junk then.
Good stuff.
In my city, we had a city that loaned a "historic" hotel building 1.8 million dollars of taxpayers money, only to find out that months later it wasn't even breaking even. The end result was that they defaulted. My, how interesting that the city decided which hotel gets to succeed while other hotels and businesses could potentially fail.
Other businesses competing with the hotel were watching their tax money helping another business to put THEM out of business.
Latest news is that the city has transferred funding for RDA's to someplace where the state can't touch it. Good luck to them on that.
You can't show people the obvious... They just don't get it. Some cool guy in a suit gets on stage and sells them a beautiful story of helping the poor and they eat it up... They then get authorization to take more money from people via taxes and then redistribute it to the rich elites who own the apartment complexes, the land, the banks who will loan the capital, and the construction companies. You show people 1+1 and they still don't get it because the good ol' man in a suit told them it was good for society....
ow about we talk about them both ? Just because you found another problem doesn't mean that the first one that was pointed out doesn't exist or should be ignored.
You're putting words in my post, I never said anything about "ignoring" any problem.
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I didn't move back here until I had a job where I could afford to live here, on my own. It isn't a right to live here. When I moved in to the apartment I could afford I had neighbors telling me all of the perks I could get (including lower rent, free utilities, etc.) if I made a certain amount, or under. All I could think was "so, that's where my tax dollars are going
So you really think that if we could just stop helping the poor that our taxes would be lower? If we could somehow just get rid of them our lives would be infinitely better? Many people are low income for reasons you and I may never fully grasp. Not simply because "they don't want to try". I know a girl who cannot work full time due to a car accident she was in when she was younger. Her doctors and whatever her insurance or SS maybe said she couldn't and she's on medication for the rest of her life. She's low income due to no fault of her own. Whether you want to believe it or not, this is the case with a lot of low income people. We can wave our hands and yell about how they should do this and they should do that all we want. Fact is, they're not going anywhere so do we just let them rot away in the street because by doing so we hope it may lower our taxes? if our taxes aren't being spent there they will simply go somewhere else you may not like.
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So go ahead and go after the wealthy and watch more of their capital vanish overseas. But don't sit here and act like the incessant handouts at the bottom isn't an issue either. In general, this is why you have low taxes ... So you can do what you want w/ your $$$ and not blame someone else/or depend on daddy govt to fix your failures/living conditions. As for the so called rich, if you don't want them to be rich anymore, stop buying all their junk that they take a profit margin on which you don't need.
"going after the wealthy" as you put to make sure they pay the taxes they get out of is hardly a horrible thing. What I'm getting out of this statement is; if we "go after the wealthy" just to make sure they can't find so many tax loopholes or in many cases, outright illegal tax evasion. This will cause them to leave? Telling them to abide by the same tax laws you and I do is a bad thing?
and as for this:
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if you don't want them to be rich anymore, stop buying all their junk that they take a profit margin on which you don't need.
Where did you get that? I think you are confusing me for someone else because no where in this thread did I even hint that I didn't want the rich to be rich anymore. All I said was going after them to have them pay the taxes they generally avoid. You have to have done some serious logical back-flips in your head to come to the conclusion you did after reading what I posted.
You're putting words in my post, I never said anything about "ignoring" any problem.
Don't detract from the point of the post by bringing another issue (rich people and the dumb consumers who make them rich).
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Originally Posted by Gentoo
So you really think that if we could just stop helping the poor that our taxes would be lower?
I think if you stop helping people who could help themselves, that society would be better. Further, you aren't really helping them all that much. You're helping the rich if you understand an ounce of how the mechanics of this whole process works. I don't expect most people to look beyond what some idiot politician tells them. However, when presented with some insight, I don't expect it to be ignored.
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Originally Posted by Gentoo
If we could somehow just get rid of them our lives would be infinitely better?
Many people are low income for reasons you and I may never fully grasp. Not simply because "they don't want to try". I know a girl who cannot work full time due to a car accident she was in when she was younger. Her doctors and whatever her insurance or SS maybe said she couldn't and she's on medication for the rest of her life. She's low income due to no fault of her own. Whether you want to believe it or not, this is the case with a lot of low income people. We can wave our hands and yell about how they should do this and they should do that all we want. Fact is, they're not going anywhere so do we just let them rot away in the street because by doing so we hope it may lower our taxes? if our taxes aren't being spent there they will simply go somewhere else you may not like.
If you understand anything about me from my posts on this forum, I come from a poor household that has NEVER been on weflare/rent subsidies. Surprise, I made something of myself. Mainly do to good parenting and the instilling of values from an old school grandma. I ate PB&J sandwiches for dinner. My whole family lived in a room at my grandma's house when times were tough. As a human being w/ free will. I am in control of my destiny. As a human being, I can adapt. A catastrophe hits and you adapt. Don't come pulling some small percentage case to try to substantiate a large scale spending program. $$$ doesn't teach you how to act with class, morals, dignity, honor, and respect. $$$ didn't teach me any of those things when I was young. With those things, you learn how to value an education and hard work and you learn how to apply yourself and your skills to making your own success. You learn how to value what's important when you don't have $$$... Food/water/shelter. I lived in CA for 2 years w/o buying a bed.... Because I couldn't substantiate the costs... You save. You buy later. Hard times and struggle teach you something very important... if you are willing to listen... If I was some spoon fed fool who was wet behind the ears, yeah, maybe I would feel guilty .. But I'm sorry, I lived the poor life and am a better person having pulled out of it due to adapting to conditions and sucking it up.
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Originally Posted by Gentoo
"going after the wealthy" as you put to make sure they pay the taxes they get out of is hardly a horrible thing. What I'm getting out of this statement is; if we "go after the wealthy" just to make sure they can't find so many tax loopholes or in many cases, outright illegal tax evasion. This will cause them to leave? Telling them to abide by the same tax laws you and I do is a bad thing?
If you want to have this debate. We can have it. To give you an example. CA's taxations are unfair for me. So, there are numerous deferred tax shelters I put my income in. If they were fair like they were in other states I lived in, I wouldn't. There is a point of fair taxation and there is a point of unfair taxation. You can try to close all the loopholes you want. If its unfair, people will use that energy to make it fair.. Either by creating new ways to plunder money from the idiots in society or by outright legal tax evasion loopholes. So, there is no 'going after the wealthy'.. There is establishing a fair and simple taxation for all and reminding the idiots in America that, through their mindless consumption habits, they make the rich richer.... if they don't like the rich being rich, the #1 way to change that is to change themselves. So stop like babies to the govt. and take a look in the mirror. Be the change you want to see in the world and grow up !
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Originally Posted by Gentoo
and as for this:Where did you get that? I think you are confusing me for someone else because no where in this thread did I even hint that I didn't want the rich to be rich anymore. All I said was going after them to have them pay the taxes they generally avoid. You have to have done some serious logical back-flips in your head to come to the conclusion you did after reading what I posted.
I didn't do any back flips. This thread had nothing to do w/ the rich. Yet, you felt compelled to inject another issue into the thread. If you deem it a problem, drop the headline getter 'go after the rich' and talk about real/fair ways to reform taxation for all. Remind me when was the last time a group of poor people got together and started a company... When the last time a group of poor people gave billions to help fight cancer. When the last time a group of poor people gave billions to help w/ education.... Concentrations of capital will happen ... Not everyone can create an iPhone.. Not everyone can build a company that produces an amazing product. Those products are consumed by a mass of people in large volume and every product has a profit margin... Margin X volume = huge amount of capital concentrated in a few hands. So, a person's contribution to society is a success, you think going after them w/ an increasing (endless) tax penalty is the way you ensure they have the capital/means to do it again? Yeah, because the inept/corrupt idiots in government know how to distribute it better... The basic principal behind endless taxation is a problem in and of itself. So down the rabbit whole of fair taxation, make sure you consider that there should be a cap on how much you can tax someone... Because, at some point, the amount of tax they pay is far larger than what they extract from govt. provided services. And no, the government is not good at picking winners/losers in private enterprise or society. They are horrible at it and concentrating capital into a group of politicians hands lends its way to corruption/waste. A distribution of 'choice' is a far better method. So, think a bit deeper beyond giving government because its obvious they don't know what the hell is the smart thing to do w/ it.
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like babies to the govt. and take a look in the mirror. Be the change you want to see in the world and grow up !
because its obvious they don't know what the hell is the smart thing to do w/ it.
