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Old 08-14-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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I do know about immigration, but you've got to admit, this was a very large number in a very short time. As for numbers, they are just doing jobs that someone else would have done. As for starting a business, the math shows the average business grosses $44964. That would most likely be a one person operation. Yes, both of these show self sufficiency which is good, but mostly these people are blending in rather than standing out and growing the local economy
They aren't helping the economy grow? Come on, they are contributing and in turn, helping the local economy.

If anything, they are doing jobs that may have been sitting open, if not eliminated. Who would have worked said jobs?
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:27 PM
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So, is the information wrong?

Also, I find it ironic that the 2 names mentioned are a former mayor of NYC that has been affiliated with multiple parties and a person that owns the NY Post and owned FOX News, that so happens to be originally from Australia. So, which way are they biased? Is this information biased too?: https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/locations/

This is another example in the area: https://www.westsidebazaar.com/
Their previous roles does not add validity to what they are doing, Bloomberg especially marches to his own agenda and checkbook and thinks he knows what is best for everyone, just ask NYC residents who refered to him as Nanny Bloomberg. They are biased in that any information they publish is to support their goal to "influence public opinion and policymakers toward comprehensive immigration reform".
The published statements such as:

"Foreign-born residents in Buffalo helped create or preserve 3,116 local manufacturing jobs that otherwise may have left the area."

"There were 2,691 foreign-born entrepreneurs in Buffalo, with businesses generating $121 million in income."

"the Institute will continue to do all it can to help foster continued in-migration"

No specifics just generalities and their agenda is to paint a positive picture but you like to post links to anything in print especially from the cheerleader magazine Buffalo Business First which is the main cheerleader magazine and never would print a discouraging word....
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Their previous roles does not add validity to what they are doing, Bloomberg especially marches to his own agenda and checkbook and thinks he knows what is best for everyone, just ask NYC residents who refered to him as Nanny Bloomberg. They are biased in that any information they publish is to support their goal to "influence public opinion and policymakers toward comprehensive immigration reform".
The published statements such as:

"Foreign-born residents in Buffalo helped create or preserve 3,116 local manufacturing jobs that otherwise may have left the area."

"There were 2,691 foreign-born entrepreneurs in Buffalo, with businesses generating $121 million in income."

"the Institute will continue to do all it can to help foster continued in-migration"

No specifics just generalities and their agenda is to paint a positive picture but you like to post links to anything in print especially from the cheerleader magazine Buffalo Business First which is the main cheerleader magazine and never would print a discouraging word....
So, what exactly is your agenda?
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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They aren't helping the economy grow? Come on, they are contributing and in turn, helping the local economy.

If anything, they are doing jobs that may have been sitting open, if not eliminated. Who would have worked said jobs?

No, I really don't see how they add to the economy any more than anyone else. Maybe less. How many are involved with cutting edge high tech? Starting new economy companies? No, you show flea markets. And some of those links about Buffalo and Syracuse are just cheerleader sights, full of statements without backing them up, despite having footnotes. Maybe they didn't plan on people reading the footnotes.


Here's a good one--Because of the influx of foreigners, the domestic population has grown by (4500). Where is the proof of that?
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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If I hadn’t let my Economist susbscription lapse, the article which got me thinking about this was one which showed immigration as a short-term drain but a long-term gain with high rates of entrepreneurship down the line, and relatively high-achieving kids. They also help plug a declining birth rate, which isn’t as important here as in some places but could be good for metros with high population flight.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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No, I really don't see how they add to the economy any more than anyone else. Maybe less. How many are involved with cutting edge high tech? Starting new economy companies? No, you show flea markets. And some of those links about Buffalo and Syracuse are just cheerleader sights, full of statements without backing them up, despite having footnotes. Maybe they didn't plan on people reading the footnotes.


Here's a good one--Because of the influx of foreigners, the domestic population has grown by (4500). Where is the proof of that?
No, it isn't a "cheerleader" site, as it isn't affiliated in any way with those cities.

Also, most of the economy anywhere is small business based. So, I don't see why any business started by refugees/immigrants wouldn't be seen as a positive. https://www.innovationtrail.org/post...gee-businesses

Most "native" born residents don't start such companies.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:40 PM
 
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Their previous roles does not add validity to what they are doing, Bloomberg especially marches to his own agenda and checkbook and thinks he knows what is best for everyone, just ask NYC residents who refered to him as Nanny Bloomberg. They are biased in that any information they publish is to support their goal to "influence public opinion and policymakers toward comprehensive immigration reform".
The published statements such as:

"Foreign-born residents in Buffalo helped create or preserve 3,116 local manufacturing jobs that otherwise may have left the area."

"There were 2,691 foreign-born entrepreneurs in Buffalo, with businesses generating $121 million in income."

"the Institute will continue to do all it can to help foster continued in-migration"

No specifics just generalities and their agenda is to paint a positive picture but you like to post links to anything in print especially from the cheerleader magazine Buffalo Business First which is the main cheerleader magazine and never would print a discouraging word....
Which is actually owned by a company based in Charlotte, which has about 50 other areas it serves: https://www.bizjournals.com/ and how dare some positive news come out of Buffalo.

Also, newsflash, just about all media has an "agenda". Good luck finding an outlet without one, to some degree.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:41 PM
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So, what exactly is your agenda?
No Agenda, I was responding to a poster who saturates these boards with links to articles and the one I was responding on is from a group with a very specific criteria. The article is all generalities, no specifics and helps bolster the groups goals only.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:44 PM
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Which is actually owned by a company based in Charlotte, which has about 50 other areas it serve: https://www.bizjournals.com/ and how dare some positive news come out of Buffalo.

Also, newsflash, just about all media has an "agenda". Good luck finding an outlet without one, to some degree.
I don't care who owns it they are a cheerleader magazine regardless what city version it is. Newsflash, don't take everything in print as gospel because when you look up the source you might find a couple of billionaires trying to "influence public opinion and policymakers toward comprehensive immigration reform", their own words.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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No Agenda, I was responding to a poster who saturates these boards with links to articles and the one I was responding on is from a group with a very specific criteria. The article is all generalities, no specifics and helps bolster the groups goals only.
I'm not convinced, but take the articles up with the people that write them, not me.

Again, is the national information from that source biased as well? I'm asking because this information for your own metro area must be incorrect in that case: https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/city/richmond/

More: https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprofi...m-listing=true

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/02/45800...g-buffalo-back

Tell them to stop using that source: https://www.kut.org/post/immigrants-...e-texas-cities

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017...5411502198507/

You also have this kind of bias as well: https://cis.org/Immigration-Topic/Pa...erican-Economy

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