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BIG HYPE coming from the tv set! somebody said, "best 3 on a team ever", really? REALLY? I dunno. let's just take jordan, pippen, rodman for example.
people forget how good rodman was. he was a rebounding/defensive stopper, offensive rebounding fiend, high energy basketball animal. he could guard center thru small forward. not to mention, he would antagonize (get in the head) and disrupt an opponents game. people hated going against him in a 7 game playoff series. advantage rodman over bosh.
pippen's greatest strength was as a quality sidekick to MJ. who will be the quality sidekick on the heat, lebron or wade? pippen had very good offensive numbers, very quick, and defensively he was a killer (check the stats). they knock pip (rightfully so) because he quit against new york in the playoffs. lebron quit against boston! in a 7 game playoff series, pippen would be more effective (better numbers/steals/blocks) defensively than lebron. lebron would average 2-4 more points (as wade's sidekick he wouldn't be scoring 28 per game, more like 23 -25 per game while pippen would be around 21), 3-4 more assists and 2-4 more rebounds than pippen. lebron is a highlight reel, ok, no doubt. but, pippen has some intangibles that can't be measured by ESPN. besides, MJ imposed his will (on everybody) and elevated pippen's to a very high level come crunch time. can wade impose his will against lebron? can lebron impose his will against wade? would either follow? talent would not be enough against these bulls. pippen has a ton of rings. lebron has a losing record in championship series. 7 games, big 3 against big 3, in that context (for now) advantage pippen over lebron.
wade is a great player. love the guy's game, endurance and heart. but, MJ is MJ, nuff said. advantage MJ over wade.
BIG HYPE coming from the tv set! somebody said, "best 3 on a team ever", really? REALLY? I dunno. let's just take jordan, pippen, rodman for example.
people forget how good rodman was. he was a rebounding/defensive stopper, offensive rebounding fiend, high energy basketball animal. he could guard center thru small forward. not to mention, he would antagonize (get in the head) and disrupt an opponents game. people hated going against him in a 7 game playoff series. advantage rodman over bosh.
pippen's greatest strength was as a quality sidekick to MJ. who will be the quality sidekick on the heat, lebron or wade? pippen had very good offensive numbers, very quick, and defensively he was a killer (check the stats). they knock pip (rightfully so) because he quit against new york in the playoffs. lebron quit against boston! in a 7 game playoff series, pippen would be more effective (better numbers/steals/blocks) defensively than lebron. lebron would average 2-4 more points (as wade's sidekick he wouldn't be scoring 28 per game, more like 23 -25 per game while pippen would be around 21), 3-4 more assists and 2-4 more rebounds than pippen. lebron is a highlight reel, ok, no doubt. but, pippen has some intangibles that can't be measured by ESPN. besides, MJ imposed his will (on everybody) and elevated pippen's to a very high level come crunch time. can wade impose his will against lebron? can lebron impose his will against wade? would either follow? talent would not be enough against these bulls. pippen has a ton of rings. lebron has a losing record in championship series. 7 games, big 3 against big 3, in that context (for now) advantage pippen over lebron.
wade is a great player. love the guy's game, endurance and heart. but, MJ is MJ, nuff said. advantage MJ over wade.
Decent points but more than anything you have to realize that all 3 aren't going to score 30+ every game and someone will have to play defense. Now if you take the Bulls you had Jordan scoring 30+, Pippen 20+, and Rodman 8-10 usually but with double digit rebounds and occasionally in the 20's for boards. During the Kemp years in Seattle they had a bunch of scorers but not many role players. Portland with Damon Stoudamire and Pippen in his latter years also was a team stacked with scorers but few role players, and what happened there? These teams were playoff caliber teams but they never went far. This is also why my Warrior teams with Run TMC (Hardaway, Richmond, and Mullin) were a playoff team but never went all the way. If we had a Rodman we probably would have gone much further. In this equation the Bulls during the Jordan years are the better team.
BIG HYPE coming from the tv set! somebody said, "best 3 on a team ever", really? REALLY? I dunno. let's just take jordan, pippen, rodman for example.
people forget how good rodman was. he was a rebounding/defensive stopper, offensive rebounding fiend, high energy basketball animal. he could guard center thru small forward. not to mention, he would antagonize (get in the head) and disrupt an opponents game. people hated going against him in a 7 game playoff series. advantage rodman over bosh.
pippen's greatest strength was as a quality sidekick to MJ. who will be the quality sidekick on the heat, lebron or wade? pippen had very good offensive numbers, very quick, and defensively he was a killer (check the stats). they knock pip (rightfully so) because he quit against new york in the playoffs. lebron quit against boston! in a 7 game playoff series, pippen would be more effective (better numbers/steals/blocks) defensively than lebron. lebron would average 2-4 more points (as wade's sidekick he wouldn't be scoring 28 per game, more like 23 -25 per game while pippen would be around 21), 3-4 more assists and 2-4 more rebounds than pippen. lebron is a highlight reel, ok, no doubt. but, pippen has some intangibles that can't be measured by ESPN. besides, MJ imposed his will (on everybody) and elevated pippen's to a very high level come crunch time. can wade impose his will against lebron? can lebron impose his will against wade? would either follow? talent would not be enough against these bulls. pippen has a ton of rings. lebron has a losing record in championship series. 7 games, big 3 against big 3, in that context (for now) advantage pippen over lebron.
wade is a great player. love the guy's game, endurance and heart. but, MJ is MJ, nuff said. advantage MJ over wade.
Pippen, Jordan and Rodman were FIXTURES on the all-nba defensive teams.
Pippen is generally considered one of the best mid-sized defenders of all time and Jordan won a defensive player of the year once (an award that usually goes to big men and he won it playing in the era of Hakeem, Mutumbo, Malone etc.) Rodman could literally win games with 9pts. (all generated off the offensive glass) by playing great D and locking up the boards at both ends.
Pippen, Jordan and Rodman were FIXTURES on the all-nba defensive teams.
Pippen is generally considered one of the best mid-sized defenders of all time and Jordan won a defensive player of the year once (an award that usually goes to big men and he won it playing in the era of Hakeem, Mutumbo, Malone etc.) Rodman could literally win games with 9pts. (all generated off the offensive glass) by playing great D and locking up the boards at both ends.
Sorry, it's not close and I have 72 reasons why.
EXACTLY!
Defense wins, it doesn't matter how many all-star games you've played in.
People are seriously comparing Rodman to Bosh... The closest thing in the NBA right now to Rodman is Artest. D-Rod would airball free throws for christ's sakes!
This is a poor comparison. The Bulls were developed from within, first Jordan then 2 perfect compliments in Pippen and Horace Grant were added. Don't shortchange Grant, he was a great defender, good rebounder, could finish, was smart and didn't care what he did on the floor. Bosh would do well to 'fit' with stars as well.
This is a poor comparison. The Bulls were developed from within, first Jordan then 2 perfect compliments in Pippen and Horace Grant were added. Don't shortchange Grant, he was a great defender, good rebounder, could finish, was smart and didn't care what he did on the floor. Bosh would do well to 'fit' with stars as well.
it can't be a poor comparison because it is a rebut to someone saying that the big 3 on the heat are the best 3 on a team, any team, ever. hence the hyperbole! he didn't mention home grown/drafted. I just picked those 3 off of the bulls. however, I also believe that mj, pip and grant as a big 3 would beat the 3 heat in a seven game playoff series. obviously, the heat need to fill the other slots and aquire a bench, play at least 5 years together and win baby win, but that isn't what the buffoons on the tv were hyping either. also, I could of picked 3 players off of quite a few laker, celts, piston et al.
This is a poor comparison. The Bulls were developed from within, first Jordan then 2 perfect compliments in Pippen and Horace Grant were added. Don't shortchange Grant, he was a great defender, good rebounder, could finish, was smart and didn't care what he did on the floor. Bosh would do well to 'fit' with stars as well.
lol....and yet no one would give the Bulls management an ounce of credit.
Pippen and Grant in the same draft and major manuevered to get them, they didn't just fall in the Bulls lap.
Rodman from the Spurs for Will Purdue (they don't beat Utah without Rodman).
Ron Harper signed as a "washed up" free agent...and his career was reborn since he had lost a step but was no longer required to be a first or even 2nd option scorer.
Tony Kukoc picked up with a Deeeeep draft pick, one of the first organizations to go overseas.
Steve Kerr picked up off the scrap heap.
Brian Williams (RIP) picked up for a partial season helped them with 1 title.
Huge huge moves by the Bulls, many of those moves can be directly associated with those 6 championships.
lol....and yet no one would give the Bulls management an ounce of credit.
Pippen and Grant in the same draft and major manuevered to get them, they didn't just fall in the Bulls lap.
Rodman from the Spurs for Will Purdue (they don't beat Utah without Rodman).
Ron Harper signed as a "washed up" free agent...and his career was reborn since he had lost a step but was no longer required to be a first or even 2nd option scorer.
Tony Kukoc picked up with a Deeeeep draft pick, one of the first organizations to go overseas.
Steve Kerr picked up off the scrap heap.
Brian Williams (RIP) picked up for a partial season helped them with 1 title.
Huge huge moves by the Bulls, many of those moves can be directly associated with those 6 championships.
Yet Krause is still hated in this city...Talk about a face only a mother could love....
There were other "Big 3's" as well. How about the original "Big 3" of Bird, McHale and Parrish? What about LA's three headed monster of Magic, Kareem, and Worthy? My, what short memories our media types have.
What made those other trio's great is they had complimenting games. I am still waiting to see how LeBron and Wade mesh on the floor. They both play the same game. They like dominating the ball and driving furiously to the rim. They literally like occupying the same spaces on the floor. And while Bosh is big man he likes facing up a lot. Think of Parker, Duncan, and Ginobli. One guy drives the lane, the other spots up, and the other sets up in the post. Three great players that attack a defense in three different ways, at the same time.
It will be interesting to see how the Heat work it all out. Mike Miller helps the cause with his shooting. But like others have already said it will take defense to get over the hump.
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