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Old 10-25-2008, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I love driving stick, but my latest car is so on top of shifting (also, you have the option of controlling the shifting manually without using a clutch) it seems unnecessary...

What do y'all think?
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Broward County
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The only car that doesn't need a stick and uses an 8 speed automatic I believe is the new Lexus IS F. That car's drivetrain is so amazing, doesn't need a stick !
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You don't think many cars now have computers that are faster than you are at making the gear change?

Don't get me wrong...I was a die-hard stick person.
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:50 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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You don't think many cars now have computers that are faster than you are at making the gear change?

Don't get me wrong...I was a die-hard stick person.
But the computer can't anticipate - like when I shift from 6th to 4th because I need the extra power to avoid that deer. Granted, if I stand on the pedal of an automatic it will - eventually - kick down, but it doesn't know how much power I need.
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Right...which is why you usually have some "trip-tronic" or "paddle-shift" option also if you want the control...

The question is...do we need the control all the time? Glad to give up the clutch in traffic/commute. However, there's just something about throwing that gear shift knob around to match acceleration, etc.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Indy
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Personally, I feel more in control of the car if it's a stick shift as opposed to an auto. An auto is more sit and point the car in the direction that you want to go. With a stick, I just feel more in control. Yes an auto changes it quicker, but on it's own, not when I tell it to.

I will add, I have not tried the paddle-shift before on a car.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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My main vehicle right now is an SUV w/ a manual in Montana. I won't trade my manual for all the speed of shifting in the world.

Now, put me behind a Porsche, Ferrari, etc.. it'd be a tough choice. A stick is a lot of fun, but you can't deny that the new computers are indeed faster.

I think i'd still stick with fun over speed. Because as it is, its not like shifting manually means the car is 'slow'.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Broward County
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I want a new G8.....but I am going to wait until they offer the GXP version that WILL come with a 6-speed Tremec
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Indy
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I want a new G8.....but I am going to wait until they offer the GXP version that WILL come with a 6-speed Tremec
Side question: Are they even going to offer it now that Pontiac has said that they are going to cut the line?
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I can live with a "manumatic" setup that uses an actual clutch to transfer power from the flywheel to the gearbox. I will not abide "manumatics" that are simply automatic transmissions with planetary gearsets and torque-converter and all that, many of which will still override your gear selection, especially to downshift under acceleration.
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