06-27-2010, 02:37 PM
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Since my last post was highjacked, i will try again.....
06-27-2010, 06:02 PM
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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The kind of place you are describing can be found along the Mogollon Rim between Flagstaff and Payson. I've camped up there many times on just about ANY road off the highway. No people, no amenities, no developed campgrounds, no nothing. And the roads into the back country are pretty good too and not necessarily 4-wheel types. Mostly used during hunting season but you won't have that worry this time of year. There might even be some new/improved roads from logging jobs. I took a camper van up in there a few times but generally just tent camped. It's beautiful country and you'll enjoy all the solitude, peace and quiet. Never had any problems with wildlife either although there's a fair chance you'll see elk and/or deer, mornings and evenings. I doubt you'd be able to have a campfire though. Good luck!
Also, you may be able to find some good maps if you check online for Forest Service info..
06-27-2010, 09:14 PM
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AZDesertBrat had a nice post there. I'd recommend you just go to a bookstore and buy a BLM map book, there is more area in AZ like you want than can be explored in a lifetime.
06-27-2010, 11:13 PM
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Here's my tent camping spot. Just don't take it on Memorial Day and I'm fine with it
34°50'18.70"N 111°23'31.41"W
07-01-2010, 06:43 PM
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The kind of place you are describing can be found along the Mogollon Rim between Flagstaff and Payson. I've camped up there many times on just about ANY road off the highway. No people, no amenities, no developed campgrounds, no nothing. And the roads into the back country are pretty good too and not necessarily 4-wheel types. Mostly used during hunting season but you won't have that worry this time of year. There might even be some new/improved roads from logging jobs. I took a camper van up in there a few times but generally just tent camped. It's beautiful country and you'll enjoy all the solitude, peace and quiet. Never had any problems with wildlife either although there's a fair chance you'll see elk and/or deer, mornings and evenings. I doubt you'd be able to have a campfire though. Good luck!
Hey AZDesertBrat or anyone who could give me advice. I will probably take your suggestion of the Mogollon Rim for seclusion. But I am not a camper at all. A friend and I were just looking to make a random escape from doldrums of the Valley.
So I was hoping to go somewhere secluded where I could have a nice time for just a day trip and a stay overnight. Anywhere I could drive a 4cylinder Dodge Caravan and any essentials I really should have?
07-01-2010, 06:51 PM
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Hey AZDesertBrat or anyone who could give me advice. I will probably take your suggestion of the Mogollon Rim for seclusion. But I am not a camper at all. A friend and I were just looking to make a random escape from doldrums of the Valley.
Since you're not a camper are you looking for a motel/resort type of place? If so you might try Kohl's Ranch. I believe it's now a timeshare but they still rent rooms by the night. It's 20 miles east of Payson on Hwy. 260 and sits out there, pretty much, by itself but Christopher Creek is just up the road and they have some nice cabin rentals as well. And restaurants. Kohl's Ranch has cabins right on Tonto Creek and if you're a fishing enthusiast I've seen some really nice Trout pulled out of there. The hatchery is just a few miles upriver and a neat place to visit as well. Beautiful forests all around and quiet.
I worked at Kohl's Ranch for six years, before it became a time share, but I'm pretty sure it's not changed much. You might Google it to find more current info. Also Google Christopher Creek. I think you'd like the area.
07-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Location: Phoenix
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Here's my tent camping spot. Just don't take it on Memorial Day and I'm fine with it
34°50'18.70"N 111°23'31.41"W
I punched that into google maps, how did you manage to find this place, just driving the back roads?
I noticed there are multiple small lakes, and mormon lake, nearby, any within a reasonable distance, that you would be comfortable leaving your camping gear behind to go fishing?
07-01-2010, 11:14 PM
Location: Tempe, AZ
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I punched that into google maps, how did you manage to find this place, just driving the back roads?
Went up last year with a friend of mine who was there for a trail building event with the forest service. Marked it on my GPS and returned again this year. I love this spot. We've been the only ones that far up the trail to camp. Haven't seen a trailer make it up there yet but then again I haven't seen an offroad trailer. Mormon Lake is still a ways away...not far distance wise but the roads are 20mph max until you hit Lake Mary Road. The trail by camp does get a lot of traffic during holidays with offroad vehicles but if you were to camp 100 yards from the trail noone would even know you were there. I did find a small lake/pond about a mile south of the site that I plan on fishing next time.
07-01-2010, 11:19 PM
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Hey AZDesertBrat or anyone who could give me advice. I will probably take your suggestion of the Mogollon Rim for seclusion. But I am not a camper at all. A friend and I were just looking to make a random escape from doldrums of the Valley.
Not being a camper with no gear and wanting seclusion is not a great combo. I would highly suggest bringing someone with some outdoor skills at least the first time. Call it overkill but even if I camp for two nights it takes me a few days to get prepared...get maps together...plenty of water food...etc. The Arizona wilderness has such a network of trails and roads you can easily get lost. And this time of year is not when you'd like to be lost for a few days with only a days worth of food and water.
07-01-2010, 11:35 PM
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Flagstaff area - "Lake Mary Road" (its actually a highway between Flagstaff and Pine / Payson)
There are a LOT of secluded areas - some adjacent to Lakes (Lake Mary and Mormon Lake), some adjacent to small streams.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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